The Resistant Starch Challenge: Is It The Key We've Been Looking For?

[MeSci]

That's very interesting, MeSci! Well, here I am feeling worse than ever; cold, tired, mild headache, plus other regular allergy symptoms. Do you have any clue what to do in this type of mess? Homeopathic allergy remedies seem to be helping a little bit, but I'm having a hard time wanting to eat.

I am going to get out my Rescue Remedy to see if that will help.

I'm afraid I don't know what might help, as my main problem is easy to avoid - stop using wool! Have you looked at the other posts in the thread I linked to? Maybe someone else had some useful suggestions. Antihistamines? Anti-inflammatories? I am going to try 5-HTP for my intermittent low mood (another new development) and it is also an anti-inflammatory, but I don't want to stop inflammation altogether as it can be part of the immune response, so may be necessary to endure for the body to destroy any pathogens that may re-emerge.

Reminder - I have not used RS, but am using another way to heal leaky gut, along the lines suggested by researcher Michael Maes and others. I would expect the results to be similar, but my method may take a lot longer (and have the benefit of milder adverse effects due to my body having more time to adjust).

 

[Violeta]

I'm afraid I don't know what might help, as my main problem is easy to avoid - stop using wool! Have you looked at the other posts in the thread I linked to? Maybe someone else had some useful suggestions. Antihistamines? Anti-inflammatories? I am going to try 5-HTP for my intermittent low mood (another new development) and it is also an anti-inflammatory, but I don't want to stop inflammation altogether as it can be part of the immune response, so may be necessary to endure for the body to destroy any pathogens that may re-emerge.

Reminder - I have not used RS, but am using another way to heal leaky gut, along the lines suggested by researcher Michael Maes and others. I would expect the results to be similar, but my method may take a lot longer (and have the benefit of milder adverse effects due to my body having more time to adjust).

I will look up Michael Maes.

I'm going to try to focus a little bit more on the upper digestive tract because of it's effect on the lower digestive tract.
Mainly, the liver. When I used to read at the low oxalate board, I read that people who get a gastric bypass shortly become sensitive to oxalates, and as far as I have figured out, it's because of reduced bile.

Now I am reading at a mast cell site that mast cell issues frequently include fatty liver and MTHFR issues, which actually involve fatty liver, according to Chris Masterjohn.

We'll see. Spring is a tough time, fall can be tough, too, but in a different way.

How are your legs/feet doing? I was thinking about taking sodium bicarb, and you know how that changes the body's pH, I was wondering if your pH went too far in one direction. Maybe adding some lemon juice would help???

 

[dannybex]

Assuming she is referring to a vaporizer

As @MeSci reported, cutting out the grains seems to be particularly effective. It was for me. I think a sinus rinse to include probiotics & saline works pretty well. Properly fermented foods has seemed to put all sinusitis behind me.

Vegas -- what kind of fermented foods are you using?

Also, I wonder if the grain connection may have something to do with mycotoxins. Brewer's Dec 2013 study found a connection between fungal/mycotoxin issues in the sinuses and many of those can come from foods (cereals, grains, dried fruits, etc.). He and others are treating with a nasal antifungal and biofilm-breakers:http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...-mycotoxins-in-patients-with-cfs.22743/page-8

 

[jstefl]

Violeta:

By Virus, I am assuming that you are referring to enteroviruses. I have no idea, but it would surprise me. Enteroviruses are a real problem. There is no medicine that will stop them. Our best shot at them today is oxymatrine, and that only works for about half of the people that use it. I have used oxymatrine and Dr. Chia's Equilibrant for almost 5 years without much to show for it. Dr. Chia and his son are working with the pharmaceutical companies to find a treatment, but we still may be years away.

My goal has been to get my immune system fixed so that hopefully I will be able to fight the enteroviruses on my own.

As far as the bacteria go, I am not certain I understand your question. We all have many more bacteria in our bodies than we have our own cells. Healthy people have a better balance between the "good" and "bad" bacteria than unhealthy people. Dr. Chia detects viruses by applying a stain to a very tiny piece of tissue. This stain reacts to some chemical in the cells that contain a virus, and darkens them. He then takes a photograph with his microscope and sends it back to you.

I started with a stomach biopsy sample sent to Dr. Chia. After this was tested, I had part of my colon removed because of recurring tubular adenomas that were forming. I ran into Dr. Chia at a conference and talked to him about this. He asked for a tissue sample of the tubular adenoma, and I had one sent to him. That tested positive also. Once the enteroviruses get into your body they travel around and pretty much get everywhere. Every day I think about all these viruses inside of me, but there is not much that I can do.

ARUP laboratory at the University of Utah is the only lab I am aware of that can accurately test for enteroviruses. If you can find a doctor or clinic that will send your blood there, you will get a pretty accurate picture of your virus situation. They are much less expensive than a stomach biopsy.

John

 

[jstefl]

dannybex:

Vegas has written considerably about how he makes his own fermented foods. This topic has become almost too large with over 1200 entries. I spent a couple of days reading the over 200 entries from Vegas, and found it to be a very worthwhile experience. His previous posts will answer your question.

John

 

[Violeta]

John, have you tried any natural antivirals. Pau D'arco tea is good, and this tea http://www.kinginstitute.org/resources-mainmenu/print-media/articles/207-rhus-tea-information.html
is good. I am going to try to stay consistent with these two for awhile and see if it helps.

 

[jstefl]

Violeta:

I have gone through several. I just ran out of Artesunate, which has done a small amount of good for me. I guess that oxymatrine would have to be included in that category, and I have taken that for over 5 years.

I am trying to wean myself off of most of the things that I am taking so that I can judge the effects of the RS. Taking too many things at once makes it impossible to judge the effects of any one thing. I have found that the LDN and antibiotic help with the RS, so they stay. I will stick with the vitamins, but will drop most of the other supplements.

My greatest hope is that my immune system will recover and be enough to make me well again.

How has the tea been working for you? The website you referenced has some pretty amazing claims.

John

 

[Violeta]

John, The teas work well, I just haven't been able to stick with them. They make me feel better and then I just quit. I guess I'll try to make a habit out of them. I drank some pau d'arco tea this afternoon and my throat got a little better.
I ate dinner and it got worse. I used some colloidal silver, too. That helps, but I don't like to do that long term.

I suppose that actually I keep hoping that my body will start to deal with things on its own.

Why do antibiotics work with the RS? The antibiotics are killing something the RS is causing? I can't logically figure out what that means.

Have you read about the Neuroprotek? I did buy some and took it a few days; it does help my brain a lot. It helped me think more clearly and not feel like I was in a straight jacket, so I felt like I had more energy. It did make my gut feel better, too. That made me focus on histamines for a while. But I kept thinking there's something wrong with just blocking the histamine release from mast cells.

Although Trevor Marshall, of the Marshall Protocol, who uses low doses of antibiotics for a lot of autoimmune diseases says that quercetin is good for relieving symptoms from die off caused by the antibiotics.

I'll have to look up Artesunate and oxymatrine.

PS: I should add that the rhus tea is pretty strong and I don't always go slowly enough with it, so sometimes I would quit it because I couldn't handle it.

 

[jstefl]

Violeta:

I asked the same question about antibiotics in post # 1216, and Vegas answered it in post # 1218.

John

 

[anne_likes_red]

There is so much wonderful information in this topic, but with over 1200 entries, it is pretty overwhelming.

Yes I've been holding back from posting more, due to being conscious of the Overwhelm Factor of this thread! When I was in the midst of a 'bad reaction' reading here was very difficult.

@dannybex Vegas talked about fermented foods in this thread, which is a bit less sizable/intimidating! http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/sulfite-sulfate-and-ammonia-questions.27211/
(I'm not sure ?? whether he's using bifido bacteria with the RS any more, due to the pretty potent nature of that combination.)

 

[Violeta]

Violeta:

I asked the same question about antibiotics in post # 1216, and Vegas answered it in post # 1218.

John

Okay, thanks for finding those posts for me. I'll have to keep reading it until I understand it. Basically, though, just another good reason to work towards getting the RS to do what we need it to do.

The leaky gut and BBB thing is what I need to figure out. It does seem as though cortisol, at least excess cortisol, isn't good for either.

Anne and John, would either of you say that the RS actually helps to heal leaky gut and BBB, or is something else necessary? Never mind that question; doh, allergy brain. It's the phospholipids.

 

[anne_likes_red]

Violeta, it's still too early for me to tell exactly what's 'healing' but I have felt extra improvement, with brain symptoms especially (I mean those worsened by my response to starch/LPS increase alone) since adding SBOs AOR 3, and Prescript Assist.

 

[Violeta]

Thanks, Anne, I will get back into taking the SBO.

Have you seen Kirkman Labs Bifido complex?

 

[jstefl]

I have been using the RS since late December. I am hesitant to talk about the results, because of past experiences. So many times I have taken something and thought that I had found an answer, only to have things turn around.

What I have noticed is that I need to use the bathroom much less often. The liquids that I drink seem to stay with me longer now. I used to avoid drinking after noon, as it would catch up with me during the night. Now, I am finding myself drinking right up to bedtime, and am able to sleep through the night and don't need to run for the bathroom when I wake up. Does this mean that my gut is not as leaky?

I have also noticed much less distress as I take the RS. The longer I use it, the easier it gets. Does it help to heal the leaky gut and BBB? I hope it helps. I am not sure that anybody really knows right now. We have an awful lot to learn about the effects of RS. I never heard about it until last December. There are so many things that come into play with RS. I have tried to improve my diet, I am using several different probiotics, and I am varying the dose. I haven't yet tried making my own fermented food, but I may get there eventually.

John

 

[MeSci]

I will look up Michael Maes.

I'm going to try to focus a little bit more on the upper digestive tract because of it's effect on the lower digestive tract.
Mainly, the liver. When I used to read at the low oxalate board, I read that people who get a gastric bypass shortly become sensitive to oxalates, and as far as I have figured out, it's because of reduced bile.

Now I am reading at a mast cell site that mast cell issues frequently include fatty liver and MTHFR issues, which actually involve fatty liver, according to Chris Masterjohn.

We'll see. Spring is a tough time, fall can be tough, too, but in a different way.

How are your legs/feet doing? I was thinking about taking sodium bicarb, and you know how that changes the body's pH, I was wondering if your pH went too far in one direction. Maybe adding some lemon juice would help???

Here is a relevant thread about Maes's approach.

I summarise my own version in the Information section of my Profile.

Are you asking me about legs/feet or someone else? I will reply anyway!

As a vegan I suspect that I don't need as much stomach acid as an omnivore. I don't know how accurate the 'burp test' for pH is (seeing how quickly you belch after taking bicarb) but recently it seems to have been taking longer sometimes, but at other times it happens almost immediately. That said, I have only recently been making a note of it.

The leg/foot problems I get are fatigue, weakness and sometimes cramp. All are a bit worse at present, but I regard the increased fatigue as an indication of reduced adrenaline-type activity, which is a good thing as the 'adrenaline rushes' that used to be common caused anxiety, palpitations and a tendency to over-exert myself. So I have become more aware of how much I can really do safely, as any energy I have is more reliable and not 'false energy'.

I initially started taking bicarb in order to alkalise my gut, on the assumption that I might have d-lactic acidosis, and almost-certainly some type(s) of acidosis both in muscles and gut.

The last time I reduced it I felt worse. So I am continuing for now.

 

[MeSci]

Violeta:

By Virus, I am assuming that you are referring to enteroviruses. I have no idea, but it would surprise me. Enteroviruses are a real problem. There is no medicine that will stop them. Our best shot at them today is oxymatrine, and that only works for about half of the people that use it. I have used oxymatrine and Dr. Chia's Equilibrant for almost 5 years without much to show for it. Dr. Chia and his son are working with the pharmaceutical companies to find a treatment, but we still may be years away.

My goal has been to get my immune system fixed so that hopefully I will be able to fight the enteroviruses on my own.

As far as the bacteria go, I am not certain I understand your question. We all have many more bacteria in our bodies than we have our own cells. Healthy people have a better balance between the "good" and "bad" bacteria than unhealthy people. Dr. Chia detects viruses by applying a stain to a very tiny piece of tissue. This stain reacts to some chemical in the cells that contain a virus, and darkens them. He then takes a photograph with his microscope and sends it back to you.

I started with a stomach biopsy sample sent to Dr. Chia. After this was tested, I had part of my colon removed because of recurring tubular adenomas that were forming. I ran into Dr. Chia at a conference and talked to him about this. He asked for a tissue sample of the tubular adenoma, and I had one sent to him. That tested positive also. Once the enteroviruses get into your body they travel around and pretty much get everywhere. Every day I think about all these viruses inside of me, but there is not much that I can do.

ARUP laboratory at the University of Utah is the only lab I am aware of that can accurately test for enteroviruses. If you can find a doctor or clinic that will send your blood there, you will get a pretty accurate picture of your virus situation. They are much less expensive than a stomach biopsy.

John

Dr Chia's (and those of others, I think) 'virus' findings have been questioned. You can read about this here.

 

[Lou]

@Ripley @jstefi at anyone able to offer help

After I got a few fairly amazing results from rs, particularly reduced inflammation so that I could exercise w/o getting swollen left jaw, my mother who's enjoyed excellent health except for osteoarthritis in knees, decided she wanted to try rs as well.

She's in her eighties and looking back, no doubt, I should have been more responsible. I simply told her go low dose and slow. I should say she knew I worked up to four tablespoons quickly without any major problems.

Last Wednesday she started out with one teaspoon potato starch. Same dose Thursday. Since she got no reaction she took two teaspoons Friday an hour before evening meal. Late Saturday afternoon I went by her house to check on her and found her very ill.

She told me she'd had terrible diarrhea since the night before, lots of burping, and some flulike symptoms. She felt awful and she's not one to complain, ever. (I don't think it was food poisoning, neither does she.)

She completely balked at going to see a doctor. If it was reaction to ps I'm not sure one of these local doctors wouldn't make her situation worse, anyway, so I finally agreed.

Other than stopping resistant starch any other suggestions? Symptoms seem more suggestive of food poisoning but she insists it was the potato starch. Diarrhea or burping wasn't my experience with ps, were those things problems for others here(sorry, I should read back through thread, but can't right now)?

Finally, is there an unofficial age limit on responsibly trying something like this? I feel terrible that I may have caused my own mother a lot of present and future grief and problems with her digestive system.

 

[Violeta]

@Lou, Activated charcoal or tetracycline might help.

Your mom is now part of the experiment.

 

[bertiedog]

@Lou Your Mum might like to try the herb slippery elm several times daily. It is excellent at soothing the gut.

If that doesn't work what about Immodium?

Pam

 

[Lou]

@Lou, Activated charcoal or tetracycline might help.

Your mom is now part of the experiment.

Thanks, I'll get her some activated charcoal.

@bertiedog Thanks, she was going to try Immodium today.

This will poke at the credibility of my concern, but she is now playing Bridge with her Bridge buddies, she insisted it would be bad form to cancel at last minute. What's a son to do, can't do anything with that 'will of steel' of hers.