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New: Hypocortisolemic ASIA: a vaccine- and chronic infection-induced syndrome behind the origin of long COVID and myalgic encephalomyelitis

Violeta

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The important thing is the doses and to maintain as much as possible the stable levels in the blood.

How often do you take them to keep the blood levels stable?

I am going to find out tonight if ginseng in the evening affects sleep.
 
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How often do you take them to keep the blood levels stable?

I am going to find out tonight if ginseng in the evening affects sleep.
Be careful with ginseng at night. It is the only one to be taken simulating the circadian rhythm of cortisol. That is to say, with less doses at night and more doses in the morning and at mealtime.
As for the doses and times of intake I am looking for a way to communicate it and do it through clinical trials. If I say it through social networks and someone gets sicker or has to go to the hospital because he/she has taken more doses in relation to his/her weight, I would get into legal and moral problems. That is why we are looking for a way to start clinical trials as soon as possible but we are still without funding.
 

Violeta

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Be careful with ginseng at night. It is the only one to be taken simulating the circadian rhythm of cortisol. That is to say, with less doses at night and more doses in the morning and at mealtime.
As for the doses and times of intake I am looking for a way to communicate it and do it through clinical trials. If I say it through social networks and someone gets sicker or has to go to the hospital because he/she has taken more doses in relation to his/her weight, I would get into legal and moral problems. That is why we are looking for a way to start clinical trials as soon as possible but we are still without funding.
Okay, thank you, and I do underestand about not communicating doses on social media.

I did take ginseng last night, and I slept okay. As you indicate, it will be an individual thing. I have had ME/CFS since 1982, so I may need some even to be able to sleep, at least for now.

I will try to be consistent with taking both every 6 hours. I'll see how that goes.
 
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I have not yet introduced replacement doses of hydrocortisone because I wanted to see if the damage to my ACTH secretion was irreparable. I am not fully recovered with these treatments but I can do anaerobic exercise, study, go outside and have an almost normal life (but with some limitations). I still have some symptoms in the mornings and improve throughout the day with the treatments.
All these treatments influence and help the deficiencies caused by the infection so they should be combined. The ones I noticed the most in my symptomatic improvement were the antivirals, antihistamines, astragalus, NAC and ginseng. The important thing is the doses and to maintain as much as possible the stable levels in the blood.
Aren't you concerned about the antivirals long term use? You are taking valtrex and desloratadine? Did you introduced all at once or slowly one by one?
 
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๐Ÿ“œ ๐Ž๐ฅ๐ ๐€๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ, ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐๐ฎ๐›๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐ž๐ ๐“๐จ๐๐š๐ฒ, ๐–๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Š๐ž๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ, ๐Œ๐ฒ๐š๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐œ ๐„๐ง๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐•๐š๐œ๐œ๐ข๐ง๐š๐ฅ ๐’๐ฒ๐ง๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฌ



๐Ÿ” ๐’๐ญ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐จ๐ง ๐‡๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐š๐ฆ๐ข๐œ-๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฒ-๐€๐๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ฅ ๐€๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ (๐‡๐๐€) ๐ข๐ง ๐’๐€๐‘๐’ ๐’๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฏ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ

An article in ๐ถ๐‘™๐‘–๐‘›๐‘–๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐ธ๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘œ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘”๐‘ฆ (2005) investigated endocrine sequelae in SARS survivors, revealing that 39.3% of patients had hypocortisolism. The low-dose Synacthen test (1 ฮผg) was crucial in detecting subtle HPA axis dysfunctions, showing that many patients recovered HPA axis function within 1 year after treatment. In addition, transient thyroid dysfunction was observed in some patients, resolving between 3 and 9 months. These findings suggest that SARS-CoV can cause long-lasting endocrine dysfunction, which is relevant to understanding Long COVID, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis and post-vaccinal complications. The improvement in serum cortisol levels and resolution of symptoms such as fatigue and postural dizziness suggest that cortisol replacement was effective in most cases.

๐Ÿ”— : https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2005.02325.x



๐Ÿงฌ ๐’๐ญ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐จ๐ง ๐Œ๐จ๐ฅ๐ž๐œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ ๐Œ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐œ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐€๐‚๐“๐‡ ๐ข๐ง ๐’๐€๐‘๐’ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐“๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐‚๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐จ๐ข๐๐ฌ.

Another study, published in ๐‘€๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘–๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐ป๐‘ฆ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘  (2004), proposes that SARS and other coronaviruses employ molecular mimetic strategies to evade the host immune response. The SARS virus expresses amino acid sequences that mimic host adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). This induces the production of autoantibodies against ACTH, limiting the host stress response and leading to relative adrenocortical insufficiency.

Corticosteroid treatment can mitigate these effects by providing the corticosteroid levels needed to fight infection. According to the study, initiating corticosteroid treatment as early as possible allows the use of lower doses, whereas a delay in treatment requires higher doses to suppress virus-induced inflammatory cytokine dysfunction. In addition, prophylactic use of moderate doses of corticosteroids could prevent clinical infection with SARS by preventing the ACTH mimetic strategy of the virus from becoming active.

The results show that SARS patients treated with corticosteroids experienced clinical improvements, supporting the hypothesis that autoantibodies against ACTH play a crucial role in the pathogenesis of SARS. Also, these findings could be applicable to the treatment and prevention of complications in Long COVID, post-vaccinal syndromes and Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, given that SARS-CoV-2 and other viruses may employ similar immune evasion mechanisms.

๐Ÿ”— : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704002828?via=ihub



๐Ÿ”ฌ ๐’๐ญ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐จ๐ง ๐€๐ง๐ญ๐ข-๐€๐‚๐“๐‡ ๐€๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐›๐จ๐๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐‚๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ˆ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ-๐Ÿ๐Ÿ—.

A recent study published in ๐‘€๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘–๐‘๐‘–๐‘›๐‘Ž ๐ผ๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘›๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘Ž (2021) evaluated the presence of anti-ACTH antibodies in critically ill patients with COVID-19. The authors, D. Pรฉrez-Torres, C. Dรญaz-Rodrรญguez, and A. Armentia-Medina, investigated whether anti-ACTH antibodies were detectable in these patients and measured plasma cortisol and ACTH levels.

The study found that 60% of critically ill COVID-19 patients had anti-ACTH antibodies, and half of these patients showed low cortisol and ACTH levels. These findings support the theory that SARS-CoV-2 may use molecular mimetic strategies to evade the host immune response. The presence of these antibodies may block the immune response and attenuate the natural HPA axis response to stress, leading to relative adrenal insufficiency.

๐Ÿ”— : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0210569121001960?via=ihub



๐Ÿ’ก ๐ˆ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ, ๐Œ๐ฒ๐š๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐œ ๐„๐ง๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ-๐•๐š๐œ๐œ๐ข๐ง๐š๐ฅ ๐’๐ฒ๐ง๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฌ.

The findings of these studies are highly relevant to understanding the complications of Long COVID, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and post-vaccinal syndromes. HPA axis dysfunction and the production of autoantibodies against ACTH could explain some of the persistent symptoms observed in these patients. The use of stimulation testing and early treatment with corticosteroids could be useful strategies to diagnose and treat these complications.



๐Ÿ“˜ All of this is detailed in our ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ž๐ฐ ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2024.1422940/full



๐Ÿ“บ And you can see it summarized in ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐จ:



๐Ÿ”„ ๐’๐ก๐š๐ซ๐ž this information with your doctors and other patients to explore treatment options! Together we can work toward a better quality of life.

Link X:https://x.com/manruipa/status/1818652670887931945?s=46&t=m4Zmq5Ji7bf6LgmUbeK4pA
 
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ICI-treated individuals who develop hypophysitis may hold the key to the development of ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccinal syndromes


In the field of immunology and cancer treatment, Immune Checkpoint Inhibitors (ICIs) have revolutionized cancer therapy by activating the immune system to attack cancer cells. However, this immune hyperactivation can have significant side effects, known as immune-related adverse events (irAEs), including hypophysitis, an inflammation of the pituitary gland.


Immune Hyperactivation and Hypophysitis.
ICIs work by blocking immune regulatory proteins, such as CTLA-4 and PD-1, which boosts the immune response against cancer. This dysregulation can, however, lead to immune hyperactivation that not only attacks cancer cells, but also healthy tissues. A clear example is hypophysitis, where the pituitary gland becomes inflamed due to the uncontrolled action of the immune system. Inflammation and damage of the pituitary gland affects the production and secretion of pituitary hormones, which can lead to a variety of clinical symptoms depending on the hormones affected (such as ACTH, TSH, GH, among others).


Similarity with Long COVID, ME/CFS and Post-Vacunal Syndromes.
Current research suggests that similar immune hyperactivation may be involved in conditions such as Long COVID, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) and post-vacunal syndromes. These conditions share features such as chronic inflammation, autoimmunity and immune depletion.


Long COVID
Long COVID, a condition that persists in some individuals after acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, shows signs of a dysregulated immune response similar to that seen in patients treated with ICI. Prolonged inflammation and possible reactivation of latent viruses, such as Epstein-Barr, may contribute to persistent symptomatology, including chronic fatigue, cognitive dysfunction, and hormonal imbalances.


ME/CFS
ME/CFS is a debilitating disease characterized by extreme fatigue following infection that is not relieved by rest and worsens with physical or mental activity. As in ICI-induced hypophysitis, it has been proposed that a chronic dysregulated immune response may play a crucial role in the development of ME/CFS. This immune response may be directed not only against infectious agents, but also against the body's own tissues, resulting in a state of persistent inflammation and dysfunction.


Post-vaccinal syndromes
Post-vaccinal syndromes, although rare, have been reported in some individuals after receiving certain vaccines, including COVID-19 vaccines. These syndromes can include symptoms similar to those of ME/CFS and Long COVID, such as chronic fatigue, muscle aches, and neurological problems. It is believed that in these cases, a vaccine-induced hyperactivation of the immune system could trigger autoimmune and inflammatory responses that contribute to these symptoms.


Hypophysitis as a Study Model
ICI-induced hypophysitis provides a useful model for understanding how a dysregulated immune response can lead to systemic disease. The study of this condition may offer crucial clues to the mechanisms underlying ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccinal syndromes. For example:
  • Chronic Inflammation: persistence of inflammation in hypophysitis may mirror the chronic inflammation seen in ME/CFS and Long COVID.
  • Hormonal Dysregulation: hypophysitis may cause hormonal deficiencies, similar to the imbalances observed in ME/CFS and Long COVID.
  • Autoimmunity: The autoimmune nature of hypophysitis may parallel the autoimmune responses suspected in ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccine syndromes.
  • HLA-DRB1 allele: Both hypophysitis in ICI-treated patients and ME/CFS conditions, Long COVID and post-vaccinal syndromes, could be associated with susceptible HLA-DRB1 alleles. In patients treated with ICI, the immune hyperactivation is due to the therapy itself, and upon termination of ICI treatment, the problem usually resolves. In contrast, in ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccinal syndromes, persistence of viral antigen perpetuates hyperactivation and autoimmune damage.

๐Ÿ” Conclusion
Hyperactivation of the immune system, whether induced by ICI treatments, viral infections such as SARS-CoV-2 or herpesviruses, or even vaccines, can result in a variety of immune-related adverse events (irAEs) and chronic conditions such as hypophysitis, ME/CFS, Long COVID, and post-vaccinal syndromes. Understanding these shared mechanisms, especially in individuals with susceptible HLA-DRB1 alleles, may be the key to developing effective treatments and improving the quality of life for patients affected by these debilitating diseases.


More information in this thread๐Ÿงต :

https://x.com/manruipa/status/1810664159354192253?s=46&t=m4Zmq5Ji7bf6LgmUbeK4pA
 

SWAlexander

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Finally, I have been discussing hormonal deficiency in relation to ME/CFS and COVID-19 since mid-2020.
how many people ever had an MRI for hypophysitis?
Hypophysitis causes are autoimmune, but other etiologies include inflammation secondary to sellar tumors or cysts, systemic diseases, and infection or drug-induced causes.
 
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SWAlexander

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STORM in the Lungs: Lessons from COVID-19 and Implications for Future Pandemics:

Excerpt:
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How STORM Affects the Lungs​

The immune systemโ€™s overreaction in STORM can lead to several serious lung disorders:
  • Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS): This condition causes severe breathing difficulties and low oxygen levels in the blood. This was observed in patients who suddenly struggled to breathe on the eighth day of illness.
  • Pulmonary Fibrosis: Over time, the damage from inflammation can lead to scarring in the lungs, making it harder to breathe normally.
  • Pulmonary Hypertension: The damage to blood vessels in the lungs can increase pressure in these vessels, straining the heart.
  • Persistent Cough: Ongoing inflammation with bronchitis can irritate the airways, causing a long-lasting cough.
  • Reduced Lung Function: The lungs may become less efficient at transferring oxygen to the blood, leading to fatigue and difficulty with physical activities."
 

hapl808

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Finally, I have been discussing hormonal deficiency in relation to ME/CFS and COVID-19 since mid-2020.
how many people ever had an MRI for hypophysitis?
Hypophysitis causes are autoimmune, but other etiologies include inflammation secondary to sellar tumors or cysts, systemic diseases, and infection or drug-induced causes.

I have a friend with some ME/CFS symptoms (among some other autoimmune issues) who had a MRI that found a pituitary cyst if I recall correctly. However, the physician who requests the diagnostic didn't have any suggestions for treatment. I'm always amazed that even when labs sometimes turn up abnormalities, doctors are like, "Nah, we don't need to do anything." Ok, then why run the labs?
 

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I have a friend with some ME/CFS symptoms (among some other autoimmune issues) who had a MRI that found a pituitary cyst if I recall correctly. However, the physician who requests the diagnostic didn't have any suggestions for treatment. I'm always amazed that even when labs sometimes turn up abnormalities, doctors are like, "Nah, we don't need to do anything." Ok, then why run the labs?
Right?!

Itโ€™s why Iโ€™ve not pushed to even get the testing I deserve for so long after 7 years in this room because itโ€™s often insane how little they care when they do find something in me. Like the lesions on my brain.

Sigh.
 

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Ok, then why run the labs?
Maybe in case they find something that does need to be corrected? I read that most men die with prostate tumors, but few die from those tumors. Our bodies accumulate defects, but those defects may not be worth the risk or effort of correcting.
 
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๐Ÿ” ๐๐ž๐ฐ ๐€๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž ๐‚๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐‘๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐š๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ž๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ! ๐Ÿ“‰๐Ÿงฌ

๐Œ๐จ๐๐ž๐ฅ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž.

1. ๐Ÿง  ๐ˆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐’๐ž๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ณ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ˆ๐ง๐Ÿ๐ฅ๐š๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐‘๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž:

๐Ÿ”น ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง: the S1 subunit of SARS-CoV-2 can induce a form of โ€œsensitizationโ€ in the immune system. This means that, following exposure to the S1 protein, the immune system becomes more reactive to future inflammatory stimuli. This sensitization leads to a more intense and longer lasting inflammatory response compared to a normal response to an inflammatory stimulus.

๐Ÿ”น ๐Œ๐ž๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ: Sensitization is associated with an increase in the expression of antigen-presenting molecules such as MHC-II in brain microglial cells. This suggests that the S1 protein alters the activation threshold of immune cells, making them more likely to respond in an exaggerated manner to future exposures to pathogens or inflammatory stimuli.


2. โš–๏ธ ๐ˆ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐š๐œ๐ญ ๐จ๐ง ๐‡๐๐€ ๐€๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐‚๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง:

๐Ÿ”น ๐‡๐๐€ ๐€๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ: Unlike pathogen antigens, such as LPS, which stimulate the HPA axis to increase cortisol production, the S1 subunit does not follow this pattern. Instead of increasing cortisol levels, exposure to S1 causes a decrease in basal cortisol levels in the brain and does not activate the HPA axis in the expected manner. This may contribute to down-regulation of inflammation and an uncontrolled immune response.

๐Ÿ”น ๐‚๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ: The decrease in cortisol observed after S1 exposure suggests that the immune system becomes less regulated, which may lead to exacerbated inflammation and increased sensitivity to future inflammatory stimuli.


3. ๐Ÿงฉ ๐‚๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž๐ฌ:

๐Ÿ”น Symptoms and Behavior: S1-triggered sensitization manifests in symptoms such as changes in physical activity, eating behavior, and fever response. These effects are related to alterations in the functioning of the hypothalamus, which regulates multiple physiological and behavioral functions.

๐Ÿ”น Disease Model: Results suggest that exposure to S1 may induce long-lasting changes in the immune system and hormonal regulation, contributing to increased vulnerability to inflammation and symptoms similar to those seen in disorders such as Long COVID.

๐Ÿ”—: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159124005105?via=ihub


๐Œ๐จ๐๐ž๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐Ž๐ฎ๐ซ ๐‘๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ž๐ฐ ๐€๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž.

1. ๐Ÿ”ฌ ๐Œ๐จ๐ฅ๐ž๐œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ ๐Œ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐œ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐€๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ:

๐Ÿ”น ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ž๐: SARS-CoV-2 protein S induces molecular mimicry with ACTH, generating an autoimmune response against ACTH. This results in hypophysitis and cortisol depletion.

๐Ÿ”น ๐Œ๐ž๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ: HLA-DRB1 alleles, such as DR15, can promote immune hyperactivation against the SARS-CoV-2 S protein. This hyperactivation may lead to an autoimmune response due to molecular mimicry with ACTH. In individuals with these susceptible alleles, the exacerbated immune response can result in pituitary damage and reduced ACTH production.

2. โš–๏ธ ๐‡๐๐€ ๐€๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐‡๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐š๐ฅ ๐ƒ๐ฒ๐ฌ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง:

* ๐‡๐๐€ ๐€๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ: Autoimmune hypophysitis and decreased ACTH lead to reduced cortisol production. Prolonged exposure to these viral antigens causes pituitary dysfunction and contributes to symptoms such as chronic fatigue and hormonal disturbances. Decreased cortisol levels lead to immune exhaustion by not decreasing T-lymphocyte activation.

๐Ÿ”—: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2024.1422940/full


๐Ÿ” ๐Œ๐จ๐๐ž๐ฅ ๐‚๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐’๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐€๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐‡๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐ฌ.
The new article indirectly supports our hypothesis by demonstrating that the S1 subunit of SARS-CoV-2 protein S induces a neuroinflammatory priming and increases MHC-II expression in microglial cells. This priming elevates S1 protein presentation through MHC-II, which may lead to prolonged hyperactivation of the immune system. This sensitization could increase the propensity of the immune system to respond in an exaggerated manner to future exposures to pathogens or inflammatory stimuli and to attack self-antigens with molecular mimicry, such as ACTH, particularly in individuals genetically predisposed via HLA-II alleles.

Furthermore, the reduction in brain corticosterone following S1 exposure, together with dysfunction in the HPA axis, supports the idea that neuroinflammatory priming contributes to a dysregulated immune response and increased activation of autoimmune processes.


โš–๏ธ ๐๐š๐ซ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐€๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐‡๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ˆ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐œ๐ž๐ ๐›๐ฒ ๐ˆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐‚๐ก๐ž๐œ๐ค๐ฉ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ˆ๐ง๐ก๐ข๐›๐ข๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ (๐ˆ๐‚๐ˆ๐ฌ)
Immune Checkpoint Inhibitors (ICIs) provide a relevant example of how immune hyperactivation can induce autoimmune hypophysitis in genetically susceptible individuals (HLA-II alleles). ICIs, by blocking immune regulatory proteins, can cause uncontrolled inflammation of the pituitary gland. This phenomenon is particularly notable in patients with susceptible HLA-II alleles, who may experience an autoimmune response directed against the pituitary gland. ICI-induced autoimmune hypophysitis illustrates how immune hyperactivation can result in significant pituitary damage, similar to that seen in conditions such as ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccinal syndromes.

๐Ÿ’‰๐‚๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ-๐•๐š๐œ๐œ๐ข๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐‚๐š๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ.
The immune hyperactivation observed in ICI-induced autoimmune hypophysitis and in the SARS-CoV-2 model in individuals with susceptible HLA-II alleles may provide an explanation for Long COVID cases developed after vaccination. In these cases, exposure to SARS-CoV-2 protein S by vaccination may induce the same immune hyperactivation. This hyperactivation may result in persistent inflammation and autoimmune responses similar to those seen in viral infection-induced hypophysitis, due to molecular mimicry with ACTH and altered regulation of the HPA axis.


๐Ÿ’Š๐“๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ.
1. ๐Ÿ”น ๐„๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐•๐ข๐ซ๐š๐ฅ ๐€๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ž๐ง: Use antivirals or strategies to eliminate SARS-CoV-2 protein S and reduce immune hyperactivation.

2. ๐Ÿ”น ๐‚๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐จ๐ข๐๐ฌ: Apply corticosteroids to reduce inflammation and, if pituitary damage is present, consider corticosteroids in replacement doses for hormone deficiency.

3. ๐Ÿ”น ๐€๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐‚๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ: Morning cortisol tests may not be reliable for detecting hypocortisolism. Perform saliva cortisol testing in several shots throughout the day for accurate assessment of hypocortisolism.

4. ๐Ÿ”น ๐’๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐€๐๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐š๐ฅ ๐’๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ: Use anti-inflammatory and antioxidant supplements to support treatment and reduce residual inflammation.

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The S1 hypothesis is interesting, but according to that, wouldn't supplemental cortisol reduce symptoms continually? With ME, it seems that many people report a reduction--even temporary full remission--when first taking it, but then it stops working and doesn't ever work again.
 
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The S1 hypothesis is interesting, but according to that, wouldn't supplemental cortisol reduce symptoms continually? With ME, it seems that many people report a reduction--even temporary full remission--when first taking it, but then it stops working and doesn't ever work again.
It should be noted that there is currently no treatment that perfectly simulates the demand for cortisol. Hydrocortisone is given in substitute doses but it is up to you to increase the dose if you have an infection, reactivation, if you have a long period of stress, if you do sports, etc. In addition, since there are viral reservoirs that constantly maintain inflammation, it would be necessary to give doses that simulate cortisol levels during infections. In other words, it is very difficult to regulate this. Therefore, in addition to taking hydrocortisone replacement doses, you also have to control anything that increases inflammation. That is, it is no use giving you cortisol replacement doses if I don't treat the viral infection with antivirals, for example. It would only help keep you from getting worse.
 
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It should be noted that there is currently no treatment that perfectly simulates the demand for cortisol. Hydrocortisone is given in substitute doses but it is up to you to increase the dose if you have an infection, reactivation, if you have a long period of stress, if you do sports, etc. In addition, since there are viral reservoirs that constantly maintain inflammation, it would be necessary to give doses that simulate cortisol levels during infections. In other words, it is very difficult to regulate this. Therefore, in addition to taking hydrocortisone replacement doses, you also have to control anything that increases inflammation. That is, it is no use giving you cortisol replacement doses if I don't treat the viral infection with antivirals, for example. It would only help keep you from getting worse.
Have you read Jefferies 'Safe uses of Cortisone'? I recently looked through the book as I am myself interested in low dose hydrocortisone. Nowhere in the book does he mention antivirals, yet he claims on many years of clinical practice many cases of successful treatment of chronic viral infections among others. Wondering what you think about this, and also what the basis is for your claims!!
 
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Have you read Jefferies 'Safe uses of Cortisone'? I recently looked through the book as I am myself interested in low dose hydrocortisone. Nowhere in the book does he mention antivirals, yet he claims on many years of clinical practice many cases of successful treatment of chronic viral infections among others. Wondering what you think about this, and also what the basis is for your claims!!
Chronic hypocortisolism leads to immunosuppression and increases the risk of both acute and chronic infections. Hence, if you replenish the levels these infections improve. But if there is a genetic predisposition to not control well a particular pathogen such as a herpesvirus or SASRS-CoV-2, this virus will continue to replicate in the viral reservoirs without your immune system being able to control it completely by having this genetic deficiency. In these cases it is necessary to treat both hypocortisolism and infections with antivirals.
 
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Chronic hypocortisolism leads to immunosuppression and increases the risk of both acute and chronic infections. Hence, if you replenish the levels these infections improve. But if there is a genetic predisposition to not control well a particular pathogen such as a herpesvirus or SASRS-CoV-2, this virus will continue to replicate in the viral reservoirs without your immune system being able to control it completely by having this genetic deficiency. In these cases it is necessary to treat both hypocortisolism and infections with antivirals.
Yeah that definitely makes sense. Do you have any resources I could check out for supplementing with cortisone?
 
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