Joshua Leisk Protocol

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

No need to feel sorry

I'm totally fine if anyone takes experimental potentially dangerous treatments, as long as informed of the risks.

 

[Judee]

That's not questioned. What is questioned is when Western herbalist give their experimental potentially dangerous experimental treatment informed by the western pharmaceutical model the seal of 1000s of years' safe use in Ayurveda.

In the western model even with properly prescribed medication alone in the US the fatalities are estimated in the hundret-thousands a year. In contrast Ayurveda is such harmless and slow acting, that much more die from the disease, but almost none from the medications.

I don't know if he is doing that. I'm not defending; I'm just saying I'm not aware of most of the details of the discussion and it's basis.

I will say on his website for his Lyme core protocol he only recommends 3x600mg for the first week and then to double that dose in subsequent weeks so maybe there is confusion about what he recommends and why: http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/

 

[Judee]

Ok I'm sorry

Awwww... @Martin aka paused||M.E., you need to have Janina give you a hug. It sounds like you are having a hard day.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I was never healthy enough to train myself in biochemistry, medicine and so on like others here or especially on s4me.

Your a wonderful creative musician(plus far more i'm sure)....who should not have to do and know all those things.

For what its worth, I studied that type of thing, got science degrees, took those types of classes, I was so proud of my "A" in biochemistry, until the Prof curved the class grades in the wrong direction (my 93% became a B +)...
and I'm not healthy enough to- really deal with the science/this illness.......either.

We face the MOST complex whole body illness, we really should be far more AWARD WINNING.

We need serious help from very smart people.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Your a wonderful creative musician(plus far more i'm sure)....who should not have to do and know all those things.

For what its worth, I studied that type of thing, got science degrees, took those types of classes, I was so proud of my "A" in biochemistry, until the Prof curved the class grades in the wrong direction (my 93% became a B +)...
and I'm not healthy enough to- really deal with the science/this illness.......either.

We face the MOST complex whole body illness, we really should be far more AWARD WINNING.

We need serious help from very smart people.

Good to have some fighting for us

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Awwww... @Martin aka paused||M.E., you need to have Janina give you a hug. It sounds like you are having a hard day.

A hug by her is always needed

 

[Push Fwd]

I will give as many hugs as I can

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Much worse again! I ran out of Reishi and had the wrong one. Joshua assumes that might be the reason. So the right Reishi arrived today. Looking forward to seeing results.
Keep you updated

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

I will give as many hugs as I can

She did and it helped emotionally a lot

 

[godlovesatrier]

Could take a week or two based on my own experiences (I started Reishi later on as well) before my own results emerged.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Could take a week or two based on my own experiences (I started Reishi later on as well) before my own results emerged.

Only complication is that I will get my second vaccine on Wednesday. So I won’t know if it’s the Reishi or the vaccine if I get an immune response

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

That’s what Janet Dafoe told me. So it's gonna be interesting.

 

[godlovesatrier]

Covid jab definitely messes everything up. You will probably need to wait 4 weeks after the covid jab to really have any assessment of whether it's working. That's what I am currently doing anyway as I am on day 11 of my second covid jab. So I am still expecting my baseline to be a bit all over the place.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Covid jab definitely messes everything up. You will probably need to wait 4 weeks after the covid jab to really have any assessment of whether it's working. That's what I am currently doing anyway as I am on day 11 of my second covid jab. So I am still expecting my baseline to be a bit all over the place.

I thought about that. My first vaccine gave me an improvement after some days

 

[godlovesatrier]

Yeah I thought it was an improvement. I crashed a day after I got it. But now I look back I think I was just giddy. The second jab made me very hyper. Although if I got any improvement from it it's definitely gone now.

Hope your second jab goes ok.

 

[Boba]

That’s what Janet Dafoe told me. So it's gonna be interesting.

Not sure if I like Ron spending his time on this… Since the protocol seems to be randomly helping people. I didn’t to do it yet so I can’t tell.

I really hope they fix this. I‘m not sure whether this is even possible… sorry for the bad vibe

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Not sure if I like Ron spending his time on this… Since the protocol seems to be randomly helping people. I didn’t to do it yet so I can’t tell.

I really hope they fix this. I‘m not sure whether this is even possible… sorry for the bad vibe

He wouldn’t if he would think that it’s bullshit. And if you read Dr. Lerners Research treating Herpes in many cases lead too full remission... Though Lerner treats lytic infections.

 

[godlovesatrier]

Well he was treating latent infections he said by removing infected B Cells over time, but this took years not weeks.

The latent infection was in the b cells, the lytic infection was present in other tissues and cells. I don't think we really know but maybe the reason it took 3 months for patients to see an improvement was because it took time to clear the lytic infected tissues before it could go on to slowly kill off the infected B Cells.

https://www.healthrising.org/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-doctor-resource-center/dr-martin-lerner/

https://me-pedia.org/wiki/A_Martin_Lerner

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

@godlovesatrier you're right
“He was a strong advocate of using antivirals because he hypothesized CFS is caused by 3 herpesviruses: Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus and/or Human herpesvirus 6. "These three viruses establish “latent” infection in B-lymphocytes, monocyte-macrophage precursors, or T-lymphocytes respectively. Virus reactivation, and both abortive and complete virus multiplication occur. Therefore CFS patients have been described with continuing primary or reactivated infections.”
MEpedia

 

[Boba]

He wouldn’t if he would think that it’s bullshit. And if you read Dr. Lerners Research treating Herpes in many cases lead too full remission... Though Lerner treats lytic infections.

You're right I guess. I'm just so desperate. Don't want him to waste his time. With Herpes you mean EBV, CMV and HHV6? How many cases are we talking about? I found 4 remissions/recoveries in HIP's database. I will have a look this research. Do we know if he had position towards autoimmunity?