Has vitamin K-2 (mk-4 or mk7) helped you ?

[Ema]

Hi Ema,
I have the same problem. They did not respond to my last email. Have you tried contacting them with an email that does not go through their website, that is, directly to the person who sent you last time?

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!

I have only tried to contact them through their website but I will try an email.

If I find anywhere to get it, I will post it on the thread. Hope you will do the same!

Ema

 

[Ema]

It looks like allrealmeds.com has it (though slightly more expensive). I have no idea if this is a legit pharmacy or not though. I may get a one time use number for my credit card from my bank to protect my card details and give it a shot!

 

[Asklipia]

It looks like allrealmeds.com has it (though slightly more expensive). I have no idea if this is a legit pharmacy or not though. I may get a one time use number for my credit card from my bank to protect my card details and give it a shot!

Thanks! Please report!
Best!

 

[starstern]

where can i find a reliable mk4 k2 vegan supplement ?

 

[Asklipia]

where can i find a reliable mk4 k2 vegan supplement ?

All MK-4 sold is chemically made, from the tobacco plant. Most of it is made in China. So unless the capsule is gelatin, it is vegan.

 

[starstern]

mk4 is from plant ,then how come wasn't able to find even one mk4 to be listed as vegetarian formula ?

 

[Asklipia]

mk4 is from plant ,then how come wasn't able to find even one mk4 to be listed as vegetarian formula ?

I don't understand your question.
- Do you mean that you do not believe that all MK4 is from plant?
MK-4 and Coq10 can be made in two ways : from solanesol (extracted from tobacco leaves) or from fermentation (of Natto, which is a fermentation of soya beans). Synthetic MK-4 is what you buy when you buy a supplement.
Natural MK-4 exists in organ meats but you cannot buy it separately from the meat. Supposing that it could be concentrated from meat the cost would be phenomenal compared to the cost of manufacture.
So there is zero risk that you will find non-vegetarian MK-4 for sale.
If you try to find a menatetrenone supplier you will notice that nearly all stated that they make it from solanesol.
The natto method must be more expensive. I do not know if for you the fermentation disqualifies it for not being vegan? Vegan is not vegetarian. If you draw the line at "no mushrooms or fungus", then there is a risk that your MK-4 might be made by fermentation. In that case better ask the seller if they know where their menatetrenone came from.

(solanesol) http://zyxel-nsa210.lilu2.ch/MyWeb/...M09/Q10_09/biblio_q10_09/Q10 in solanesol.pdf
This solanesol method is cheap enough as solanesol is a residue of other transformations of tobacco leaves.

- Or are you asking me why people selling MK-4 do not bother adding a sales pitch aimed at vegetarians?

For the second question you will have to guess. Your guess is as good as mine. One of mine is : they have no problem selling it. Another one is : they cannot bother selling it in two kinds of capsules, the vegetarian capsule (only cellulose not gelatin) would be a problem because oil is added to MK-4 to make it more easily absorbed, maybe the cellulose capsule melts in contact with the oil? So that the vegan capsule for MK-4 is not possible, hence they do not sell vegan MK-4?
Be well!
Asklipia
FFP

 

[starstern]

http://www.needs.com/product/Nutritional_Biochemistry_Inc_Osteo_K_180/5109
as you see , that are indeed offered in veg capsule ,but non of mk4 is defined as vegetarian ,even after have contacted many of them ,had just not gotten any response ,at the other hand ,most natto mk 7 is defined on label as vegetarian

 

[Asklipia]

http://www.needs.com/product/Nutritional_Biochemistry_Inc_Osteo_K_180/5109
as you see , that are indeed offered in veg capsule ,but non of mk4 is defined as vegetarian ,even after have contacted many of them ,had just not gotten any response ,at the other hand ,most natto mk 7 is defined on label as vegetarian

It looks alright to me.
But for vegans there is also for example :
http://www.pasioingredients.eu/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=288&ParentCat=121
AOR being a very serious brand.

People who spread the idea that MK-4 comes from meat are just unaware of the mode of production of MK-4.
Or they are trying to push for MK-7 sales. There is a huge economic side to all this, with MK-4 even being banned in some countries for allowing the develoment of an MK-7 industry.
Remember : MK-7 is made in the US and in Europe. MK-4 is made in Asia.

 

[starstern]

Natto eaters in Japan, who often eat it regularly as a breakfast meal, get around 775mcg/100g natto
http://www.knowguff.com/2012/05/vitamin-k2-as-mk-7-restores-elasticity.html
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/41221-optimal-vitamin-k2-dosage/
After reading all this, I see no basis why bother with divided doses of mk4, and after all might not get sufficient high dose enough? Rather take mk7 which will get converted into mk4 except if one has weak liver

 

[Asklipia]

Natto eaters in Japan, who often eat it regularly as a breakfast meal, get around 775mcg/100g natto
http://www.knowguff.com/2012/05/vitamin-k2-as-mk-7-restores-elasticity.html
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/41221-optimal-vitamin-k2-dosage/
After reading all this, I see no basis why bother with divided doses of mk4, and after all might not get sufficient high dose enough? Rather take mk7 which will get converted into mk4 except if one has weak liver

Do report on your progress!
Good luck!
Asklipia

 

[starstern]

mk4 derived from a natural plant ,whats synthetic in it ?
50 mg already overboard ,while Japanese consume 1000 mg natto ?

 

[Asklipia]

mk4 derived from a natural plant ,whats synthetic in it ?

From a natural plant, subjected to a chemical synthesis process.

Japanese consume 1000 mg natto ?

1000 mg = 1 g = 1 000 000 mcg. Japanese consume 1000 mcg natto (at best).

 

[Topper]

Hello. I am new to this forum and I have a question. If one must not take MK-4 with vitamins C & E, how long must you wait before taking these supplements? I normally take them 3 times a day after each meal. If I take MK-4 just before or with my meal, when would I take the C&E supplements?

 

[Asklipia]

I suggest taking the C and E twice a day and the K with the third meal.

 

[Topper]

I suggest taking the C and E twice a day and the K with the third meal.

Thank you for your response. I thought the suggested dose of MK-4 was 45 mg. per day divided into three doses. Am I incorrect?

 

[Asklipia]

45 mg a day is a lot of MK-4 to take for a start. Please read this thread carefully from the beginning. I did take that amount at one point and for a while, but it took me 6 months to move from 15 mg to 30 mg a day. If you are to benefit from MK-4 because you are lacking in it, taking a supplementation will start all kinds of processes which will be disturbing. And don't ask me what they are! They are different for every body!
Good luck!

 

[Topper]

45 mg a day is a lot of MK-4 to take for a start. Please read this thread carefully from the beginning. I did take that amount at one point and for a while, but it took me 6 months to move from 15 mg to 30 mg a day. If you are to benefit from MK-4 because you are lacking in it, taking a supplementation will start all kinds of processes which will be disturbing. And don't ask me what they are! They are different for every body!
Good luck!

Thank you so much. I thought I had read carefully but I'll go back and read again. I appreciate your advice and will follow it.

 

[Asklipia]

Just a note : I took MK-4 from the end of January 2010 (15 mg a day). Then in September moved up to 30 mg a day, then to 45 mg a day a couple of months later.
I think I moved back to 15 mg a day about March 2012. For the last couple of weeks I have gone down to 15 mg twice a week (Thursdays and Sundays).
The changes in dosage were in answer to what I felt was sufficient and needed.
This is not a suggestion for others!!!!!!

Just recording what I did. And I did record that there are other sides to what I did to get better. I do not think only with MK-4 I could have been healed. It was an important part, yes.
See these threads too
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/bains-dérivatifs.15574/
and here where I have posted regular reports :
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/b2-i-love-you.15209/

Lots of good wishes!
Asklipia

 

[Topper]

Just a note : I took MK-4 from the end of January 2010 (15 mg a day). Then in September moved up to 30 mg a day, then to 45 mg a day a couple of months later.
I think I moved back to 15 mg a day about March 2012. For the last couple of weeks I have gone down to 15 mg twice a week (Thursdays and Sundays).
The changes in dosage were in answer to what I felt was sufficient and needed.
This is not a suggestion for others!!!!!!

Just recording what I did. And I did record that there are other sides to what I did to get better. I do not think only with MK-4 I could have been healed. It was an important part, yes.
See these threads too
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/bains-dérivatifs.15574/
and here where I have posted regular reports :
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/b2-i-love-you.15209/

Lots of good wishes!
Asklipia

I want to thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom. I continue to read and learn. Hopefully I will have some good news to report back in a couple of months.

Thank you again and be well.