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Good reaction to Cellfood- may be oxygenating the body, helping immune system; apparently boosted thyroid & now helping stroke patient

godlovesatrier

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So anyway the science is obviously dead unclear I'll continue with my anecdotal:

Day 2
I took my 3 drops thismorning. Feels like it might be increasing blood flow maybe, not sure if it's an increase in blood pressure or not. My heart seems to be beating a lot heavier (but stronger) at rest. No nasty side effects yet, it isn't sending me way up (aka high but stable). But I did a few things yesterday and didn't crash, I just had to grab a huge bench and move it into the back garden thismorning - with help - but even so not a small job. I am not taking any BCAA's or ginseng while I experiment to try and produce a decent baseline. I didn't get a huge amount of sleep either the last two nights (7 or 8 hours instead of 10) and I don't feel like I did the last 8 weeks at all.

For context since I started 100% isolating, I've just been struggling majorly. It's spring here and normally the best time of the year for me, so I was surprised how lethargic I have been.

Anyway I'll keep monitoring, early days.
 

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Hope people don't mind these regular updates.

Day 2
I took another 3 drops about 2pm. It's hard to get the drop exact, so I may have only had 2 drops. I got a little energy boost afterward. I went outside 20 minutes later and unpacked a huge 2 meter by 2 meter cardboard box. Took me a good 30 minutes I reckon, I then had to man handle a rather large garden chair into place in several pieces. This is after bringing it into the garden thismorning. Bare in mind I've only had 7 hours sleep too, so my body is for all intensen purposes already stressed. After the box dismantle my body started to crash, I would say it was a mild crash, muscles aches and pains, general flu like feeling, lethargy and a little bit of nervous system pain. About an hour later my body seems to have gone back up, I've only taken the cell food today, no other supports or stimulants. It's not fully recovered yet but it's getting there.
One more thing, while I was doing the box my muscles were not fatiguing like they normally do.

Such a weird feeling at the time. At any rate it didn't last long, but if I wasn't sick or otherwise on my knees with fatigue, if this keeps up cellfood might be a good alternative for a clean every day boost. Of course I want to see how I get on after several weeks of dosing, as I know gradually over doing it without any cellular or immune protection can ultimately cause a protracted crash which lasts months.

I'll update tomorrow.
 
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godlovesatrier

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http://cellfoodoxygen.wikidot.com/

Discusses the detox effect. But mentions more frequent bowl movements as the main one. I haven't had any detox reactions that I've noticed. Just a 3 to 4 hour energy boost after I take a dose.

I took some more thismorning (3 actual drops this time in water), had another heavy day sadly - there's no way I am doing anymore now!! What I didn't realise was that I was having symptoms in the evening of nausea, fatigue and centrla nervous system firing (when my nervous system seems to just fire giving me slight pain all over my body). I managed to calm the nervous system by taking hte andrographis paniculata. At any rate this might have been a detox reaction, just wanted to let people know. I did crash after and don't feel perfect now but I expect better than if I had taken none? I am wondering what combining cell food with something like ginseng might be like, even if ginseng is just too strong most of the time.
 

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I tried CellFood for 10 days but had a negative experience except for roughly 60 seconds of feeling energetic on day 8. The feeling arrived quickly and disappeared quickly. That's the only time I noticed any increased energy while taking CellFood.

Days 1-2: 2 drops, 2x/day.
* Increased urination after taking but only for these two days. I already urinate far more than normal so when I say increased urination I mean every 20 minutes for a couple of hours.

Days 3-8 I took 4 drops, 3x/day.
* This lead to feeling more tired in general, longer uninterrupted sleep at night which isn't necessarily a good thing since I'm one of the PWME who feels worse with a long, deep, sleep.
* I was more sensitive to my computer monitor, which is already caused by a severe light sensitivity which limits my computer use to around 3 hours per day (on an old laptop with white text on a black background). I would develop a headache and it could last much of the day.
* Blurry vision. My vision clarity changes throughout the day but this was worse than usual and was more noticeable as I continued taking the CellFood.

Days 9-10 I took 5 drops, 3x/day. Vision was consistently more blurry.

Day 10 (two days ago): I had a flare-up/crash. This is very rare for me since my ME/CFS symptoms are fairly consistent in drifting within a certain range and I'm usually able to stay within my energy envelope to avoid PEM.

At around 2pm I suddenly felt more tired than usual while just sitting quietly on my porch. It was like suddenly entering PEM but felt different than usual PEM. My heart rate dropped to 50-52 (it's usually around 62 when resting) and stayed there until I went to bed. Blood oxygen was normal (98-99) and my usual low BP didn't change. I also felt very mild nausea and aversion to food. I had to eat anyway to avoid a blood sugar drop but didn't feel any different after.

During the night I had a dream that I was looking into a mirror and my right eye was completely white -- no pupil, no color, just a white orb. I woke up at 2am and felt more tired and disoriented than usual. I was also perspiring, which is unusual since I rarely perspire due to autonomic problems. My right eye felt unusual. I checked the time and found that my right eye was so blurry that I was effectively blind in that eye. Holding my watch closer didn't help increase sharpness. I could only tell the difference between darkness and light. This blurry vision has happened to me a few times in the past, but only when I've really pushed outside my energy envelope. It has always been in one eye or the other. (I once visited an optometrist when this happened. My vision cleared in the waiting room. After various tests nothing unusual was found.)

With gentle pushing my closed eyelid I noticed that both eyes felt very firm. Usually with a gentle push I notice shapes/light patterns but I didn't see anything. (I just tried this gentle pushing and now they don't feel as firm, and I see the light patterns like usual.) Maybe the CellFood was somehow increasing the pressure in my eyes which lead to the mildly increased blurry vision in the preceding days.

Within an hour my vision was back to normal. It's the kind of experience that is reminder of how much I rely on being able to see clearly. I'm grateful for my vision.

Day 11 (yesterday): I didn't take any CellFood and won't be taking any more. I felt more energetic than the previous days but had odd muscle sensations and felt unusual in ways I can't really put into words. My balance and coordination were worse and I had to move more slowly to compensate. My vision was better than during the days when I was taking CellFood.

I also had another energy dip later in the afternoon but not as severe as the previous day.

Day 12 (today): I have more energy and mental clarity. I'm starting to feel close to the way I felt before I started taking CellFood.

The only thing I can think of that might have skewed the experience is that most of the time I took the CellFood with along with cayenne in water, which I take to help my reduce my OI symptoms. Cayenne is known to increase the effectiveness of some supplements by increasing blood flow and, presumably, helping with absorption and distribution throughout the body.
 

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@PatJ - sorry to hear you had such a negative experience with Cellfood - apparently it's not for you!
The only thing I can think of that might have skewed the experience is that most of the time I took the CellFood with along with cayenne in water, which I take to help my reduce my OI symptoms. Cayenne is known to increase the effectiveness of some supplements by increasing blood flow and, presumably, helping with absorption and distribution throughout the body.
fwiw, cayenne makes me detox. This article talks about cleansing/detoxifying properties of capsaicin: https://globalhealing.com/natural-health/cleansing-with-cayenne-pepper/

So it's possible that your negative reaction to the Cellfood may have been a detox reaction exacerbated by the cayenne. You might consider giving it another go, this time without the cayenne --
 

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HI Mary......Best of luck on your experiment. I just wanted to mention that vinegar is highly acidic and they advise that you don't brush your teeth for 15 minutes after taking it. I found this out by having enamel problems and going to the dentist. So, to save yourself plenty of time and money, wait and then brush after the 15 min. have passed. In my case, I brushed too soon and it helped remove enamel. Too late we learn! Yours, Lenora
 

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Okay. I've been taking Cellfood faithfully for about 3 months now. I've been taking 10 drops 3 x a day, instead of 8 drops 3 x a day, because it felt better. And in the past couple of weeks I noticed my blood pressure climbing . . . It was getting into the 150's and 160's! :sluggish: Which is definitely abnormal, but also very real. It wasn't a one-time fluke. The Cellfood came to mind. I could not think of any other variables which may have caused this and had no desire to go to my doctor and ask for a BP medicine.

Anyways, I've been taking a desiccated thyroid product for some 20 years. Last year a well-known endo in Los Angeles thought I should taper off of it because I didn't have Hashimoto's, no sign of autoimmunity. I tried, but was quickly met with symptoms of feeling cold, low body temp, etc. I couldn't go lower (120 mg. Naturethroid). He (the endo) didn't know anything about ME/CFS. Anyways, I stuck with my 120 mg. Naturethroid.,

Then a few weeks ago realized my BP was climbing to heights it generally has nothing to do with! And wondered - maybe the Cellfood was stimulating my thyroid. So about a week ago I cut my dose of Naturethroid in half, first by a quarter and then by half, and my body temp stayed okay - no symptoms of feeling cold or weak - au contraire, still felt better than I have any right to. So I'm sticking with my half dose and may even go lower. I'm being cautious, monitoring my body temp etc. But so far so good. I have an appointment to get blood drawn for a new doctor who appears to be somewhat familiar with ME/CFS, and so will be getting this checked the regular way.

Also, my BP has been going down. But at the same time I've started taking l-citrullline and eating/drinking beets and juice (1/2 a can a day) and my BP is going down to regular levels. So it's a confluence of events, but I think it's almost a certainty that the Cellfood is revving up my thyroid which I think is a good thing. I still feel better taking it than I did before.
 
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I had a rollercoaster ride while testing Cellfood at doses of 5 to 12 drops daily. On some days it seemed to adversely affect mental health (depression, anhedonia, lack of motivation), but also had some positive effects on mental state (some emotional tone appearing, instead of my usual blunted ME/CFS emotions).

This could be a coincidence, because I also spontaneously get bad mental health days without apparent cause. But for the moment I've stopping taking Cellfood. I will return to it at some point later.

I did not notice any energy boosting effects while taking Cellfood though, or any other benefits, but only took it for a total of 9 test days.
 

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@Hip - thanks for posting your update. I've raved about Cellfood to a lot of people, healthy and otherwise, and I seem to be about the only one who fell in love with it in a matter of days. But others noted mild effects, generally positive, and it finally hit me that those people didn't have ME/CFS so didn't have the issues I do.

So it will be interesting to see how it affects you going forward - I look forward to hearing any updates! :thumbsup:

The one thing it hasn't seemed to affect is PEM. In other words, I get more energy, feel better, but am unable to do more without crashing! :bang-head: I had begun to get a little hope that it might help extend my energy envelope, but that does not seem to be the case, at least so far! :aghhh:

In any event, overall I do feel noticeably better taking it than not, so will keep it up --
 

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Hello @Hip,@Mary & other interested parties.....I could look up Cellfood & the other, Naturethroid, but wanted to get your opinions first: It seems that Cellfood is taking the place of Naturethroid, although I should mentioned that I'm taking lexapro & xr xanax (lowest dose 2 x day), so I wouldn't want to mess with my emotional well-being, which has been good. I'm also on a host of other meds, some for my cholesterol, BP, and diuretics because of congestive heart failure, also pain meds. I can't even remember what the others are for at the moment...sorry. No, I never imagined being in this position and a good amount of it seemed to happen overnight. The seizures absolutely have to be treated, as well as the congestive heart failure. The meds for the seizures ars strong and aren't very pleasant....I'm anxious to get off some, but will talk to my doctors before I take any steps. I know that I have another year on keppra before anything milder can be tried. That's fine, after being unconscious for 2 days I can see how much damage can be done to the brain. The book 'Brain on Fire' covers a lot of it. Forget the movie....it's useless, but the book is an easy read and the title accurately describes what it's like. I'm fortunate in that mine didn't cross the psychiatric barrier or I'd be sitting in a mental ward right now. No, mine centers around the cardiac region. I do suffer from bad panic attacks...slowly worked my way up over the years from anxiety to panic, etc. The xanax is controlling them beautifully and I'd be on something milder except for the damage done by shingles.

But it was the ones for the psychiatric conditions that I was most concerned about with the Cellfood. Any input from anyone would be appreciated. I don't want to upset anything in that dept., although I have been drinking beet juice for my high BP. I'll definitely look Cellfood up tomorrow and find out what it's all about. But tonight, no....I just can't. Thanks everyone! Yours, Lenora.
 

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Hi @Mary.....I didn't give you a pseudo answer in the response to Hip about the Cellfood. I see that you're taking it and have slowly withdrawn from the other. I'm ever so glad that it's working in your favor and hope it continues to do so. I've been drinking beet juice like a trooper....it's just as well that I like it, but today's BP was already in the systolic of 166 @10:00 a.m. Why? I have no idea nor do the doctors. Now earlier in the morning it may be as low as 88 systolic. Again, why? No one has any answers and BP is one of the hardest things an internist or cardiologist has to figure out. I can see why. Maybe sleep's the key....do you think? Yours, Lenora.
 

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Thinking about it @Mary, if Cellfood is revving up your thyroid gland and producing more thyroid hormone, that might actually be the source of the extra energy you are feeling.

And possibly, if these effects on the thyroid gland are common in people taking Cellfood, this might also explain why others report an energizing effect from Cellfood — it could be all down to increased thyroid hormones.

Of course, if you then have to reduce your desiccated thyroid dose in order to compensate, you may just get back to square one!
 

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Of course, if you then have to reduce your desiccated thyroid dose in order to compensate, you may just get back to square one!
Yes, you might be right! But a couple of things - my energy improved before my BP started going up and before I started wondering if my thyroid was getting stimulated.

Also - the color of my lips has noticeably gotten redder. This happened (as I recall) when I started taking methylfolate in 2010 - redder lips, more color in my face - it all made sense because my MCV was on the high side - and better energy of course.

So with Cellfood, my lips got redder I think rather quickly, within a week or so. But I didn't notice the benefit for my thyroid until just recently. I do think it's increasing oxygenation, which would benefit everything in my body, including my thyroid. So I don't think its benefits are limited to the thyroid, but this is my unscientific guess! :woot:

ETA: Also, I noticed a benefit for my immune system very early on, when a nagging sinus infection (which is typical and would not clear up) cleared up within 3 days of the starting the Cellfood, and overall my immune system has been better since.
 

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@Mary
Damn !!!! I'm THIS close to just holding my nose and jumping in the deep end :headslap::headslap:.

I haven't had the courage to add in anything new for a while now ..... I seem to be struggling, tho more moderately than previously, to hold on to this newer, improved level and am mortally terrified of doing anything to shift the balance :nervous::nervous: :wide-eyed::wide-eyed:.

When .... if ..... I have the courage to test it, I'll definitely report my results and progress here .... this is a valuable addition to the quivers of this community, and it's an old axiom that the more arrows in your quiver, the better your chances of success. Hopefully, that doesn't just apply to elk and deer ....
 

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Hopefully, that doesn't just apply to elk and deer ....
Actually I think the elk and the deer are not usually the ones to benefit from more arrows in our quivers! :lol: (though I may have misunderstood you here! )

Yeah, I had such a positive reaction almost immediately that I expected everyone else to do the same. But most people who started it based on my say-so did not have ME/CFS and at best seemed to have a mild positive reaction.

But I don't think it's been given a fair chance! PatJ tried it, but he was also taking cayenne at the same time. Cayenne is known to cause detoxing (it did for me!) so that very well could have been the reason he didn't do well with it. I posted links earlier about this.

But I don't blame you in the least for being cautious. I know all too well the fear of losing hard=won ground in this awful awful illness! But if you get around to trying it, do keep us posted ! :hug: