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The paper you quoted talks about regular vaccines for the prevention of acute gut bacterial infections that you might catch.
This is different to an autovaccine, which is designed to boost the immune response against chronic bacterial infections you already have.
“During the first course of immunization with bacterial autovaccine, the intensity of pain in all patients decreased
significantly, and after 2-3 courses – completely passed. During follow-up observation there were no recurrences of trigeminitis.”
“There was prepared bacterial auto vaccine and was carried out immunization with a course of 10 injections. Already during vaccination and for the next 2 years of the follow-up observation there were no more abdominal pain attacks.”
The vitacell clinic also has a facebook account. There are some positive comments, some negative. I'd be more interested in those comments than anonymous ones on the internet. I won't bother picking holes in the negative reviews on Google ect.
If you put "Vitacell Clinic Kiev" into google that should take you to their website which has a link to the facebook account.What exact name is on Facebook their site? thank you
Клиника МарковаIf you put "Vitacell Clinic Kiev" into google that should take you to their website which has a link to the facebook account.
If you put "Vitacell Clinic Kiev" into google that should take you to their website which has a link to the facebook account.
If you put "Vitacell Clinic Kiev" into google that should take you to their website which has a link to the facebook account.
Thank you for your response. There are a number of points that need to be addressed. However, please allow me to begin with two:Dear Forum Members, this translation from Ukrainian to the English language is right.
Truly speaking, it turns out not so easy to overcome the accepted point of view of the world medicine, that ME/CFS is unexplained and not treated. Markov within the last month after publication the "Clinical diagnosis ME/CFS-CBIS" at the 8th Intern. Infectious Congress at London, Febr.15-16, 2021 has submit findings to ME Assosiation, Action for M.E., Solve for ME/CFS, WHO Europe and others.
CDC has published Markov's comments on its Systematic Review Report for Diagnostics&Treatment of ME/CFS for 2021.
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Once more: Markov w/ full responsibility declares that based on systematic scientific&clinical researches (2009-2021) the true nature&origin ME/CFS is discovered. In more than 95% cases of ME/CFS it's CBIS, ME/CFS-CBIS is treated w/ full convalescence in total upto 92.7% adults&children w/ ME/CFS-CBIS depending on disease duration.
Dear Forum Members, this translation from Ukrainian to the English language is right.
Truly speaking, it turns out not so easy to overcome the accepted point of view of the world medicine, that ME/CFS is unexplained and not treated. Markov within the last month after publication the "Clinical diagnosis ME/CFS-CBIS" at the 8th Intern. Infectious Congress at London, Febr.15-16, 2021 has submit findings to ME Assosiation, Action for M.E., Solve for ME/CFS, WHO Europe and others.
CDC has published Markov's comments on its Systematic Review Report for Diagnostics&Treatment of ME/CFS for 2021.
How to reach policymakers and influencers responsible for ME/CFS and the authoritative ME/CFS-researchers for their pre-review and expertise conclusions ?
We're ready for any expertise, demonstrative diagnostics ME/CFS-CBIS and treatment.
Only with support of ME/CFS-Community it were possible to overcome the existing conservatism.
Once more: Markov w/ full responsibility declares that based on systematic scientific&clinical researches (2009-2021) the true nature&origin ME/CFS is discovered. In more than 95% cases of ME/CFS it's CBIS, ME/CFS-CBIS is treated w/ full convalescence in total upto 92.7% adults&children w/ ME/CFS-CBIS depending on disease duration.
Do a study. Get peer-reviewed. Let others replicate your findings.
Replicate the results with the same methods, not 20 years of researchHow would one replicate 15 to 20 years of research? Any replication would be is to test urine samples on diagnostic tests in urine & stop using CBT/GET mental fraudulent Madness
As it was already informed on the Forum.Phoenixrising, the whole work "Chronic Bacterial Intoxication Syndrome under the mask of CFS/ME" consists of Reports 1-9. Reports 1-6 “CBIS… Clinical Diagnosis” are already published in the proceeding book of the 8th International Congress on Infectious Diseases (February 15-16, 2021, Webinar, “8th Infection Congress, 2021”, London, UK) – in the open-access scientific Journal of Infectious Diseases & Preventive Medicine (Longdom Publishing), 2021, Volume 9 / Conference Proceedings (Scientific Tracks Abstracts): https://www.longdom.org/proceedings...n-syndrome-under-the-mask-of-cfsme-59051.html (pdf./HTML, p.32-116).
Dear Aidan Walsh, at 2:34 AM, June 8: thanks a lot for info. regarding Dr.R.Davis at the Stanford Uni; some weeks ago we’ve submitted the findings already to OMF.
At 2:53 AM, June 8: Warm urine at room temperature that 2.5-2.7 times increases the sensitivity of the method and the probability of a positive result, if any, of the bacteriological examination.
If there’re clinical symptomes of ME/CFS-CBIS, then it's necessary to test for screening 1-3 (seldom more) morning WARM urine samples (taken on three consecutive days), at least after 1 month after the end of use of antibiotics, prescribed before by a side-doctor (in case of manifesting pyelonephritis – after 1 week after the end of use of antibiotics or even ealier), NOT the FIRST URINE PORTION, simply at home by natural way by using the known test-systems with nutrient media CLED agar, McConkey agar and chromogenic agar UriSelect (during years we use test-systems NovaMed, Israel, Vice-President Dr.Gavriel Shalmiev). Then follows routine laboratory bacteriological urine examination.
Really, Ultra-sound sees some enlargements in the kidneys of patients w/ ME/CFS-CBIS.
High creatine kinase levels are mostly at renal failure and is not specific for ME/CFS-CBIS.
To Martin aka paused//M.E., at 2:19 AM, June 8:
Herr Lauterbach and OMF could assist us both in transfer from Germany to Ukraine not a warm urine, but urino-cultures prepared&transfered according to our instructions. But first of all pls use the attached Questionnaire (Form) of clinical (per symptomes) diagnostics ME/CFS-CBIS to assess primary/clinically ME/CFS-CBIS and send us. Then, if necessary, for bacteriological conformation warm urine test at home as screening use the test-systems with nutrient media CLED agar, McConkey agar and chromogenic agar UriSelect (as described before).
Remark, how ME/CFS-Community could request at responsible institutions & official organs the authorative expertise of our findings: e.g. through PETITION, as it was made by M.E. patient Mirande de Rijke calling on the Dutch government to treat M.E. seriously: https://www.actionforme.org.uk/news/significant-me-research-proposal-in-the-netherlands/ .
ok thanks for all the information appreciated lots thank you
If it could hold up to scrutiny it would have been submitted and published long before we ever heard of it.Really wish they would just submit their work.
If it could hold up to scrutiny it would have been submitted and published long before we ever heard of it.
Once more: Markov w/ full responsibility declares that based on systematic scientific&clinical researches (2009-2021) the true nature&origin ME/CFS is discovered. In more than 95% cases of ME/CFS it's CBIS, ME/CFS-CBIS is treated w/ full convalescence in total upto 92.7% adults&children w/ ME/CFS-CBIS depending on disease duration.
The scientific community works on data and replication.Truly speaking, it turns out not so easy to overcome the accepted point of view of the world medicine, that ME/CFS is unexplained and not treated.
Thats a bit worrisome. Oof.
i just cant believe more havent tried it. People are over here getting neck surgery ffs.
@Booble good question