Clostridium Butyricum - A Game Changer?

[JPV]

I take a couple of them, earlier in the day, with a little potato starch and water. I then take a couple in the evening without the potato starch.

It's hard to say how much to take as I've seen reports of people that can tolerate anywhere from 1 up to 12 tablets a day. I think it's be best to start with a low dose and increase over a period of days. Maybe starting with just a couple of tablets per day and increasing it by 1, every few days, until negative symptoms start to appear. Then stay at that dose for awhile, until things stabilize, and maybe try increasing it again later.

I've experimented with taking 12 in one day but it made me feel hung over, brain foggy and lethargic the next day.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Thanks for the tips, guys!

There also seems to be an increase in immune function every time I increase the dose,

I wonder how my antithyroglobulin antibodies will react

 

[mariovitali]

I also started eating cold potatoes. The first day it was a bit uncomfortable but now all is well. After reading about Butyrate then yes, this could be a big thing actually.

I just received an e-mail which says that my shipment is on its way from Japan

 

[Sasha]

Is there a rationale for taking them still inside their capsule?

I thought the thing with PS was that bugs hitched a ride on the starch granules to go safely through the stomach and into the colon.

Mr Heisenbug seems to be suggesting taking probiotics out of their capsule and eating them with your meal:

https://mrheisenbug.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/more-on-probiotic-timing/

 

[JPV]

Is there a rationale for taking them still inside their capsule?

Miyarisan comes in a tablet form, not capsules. They actually seem to start melting as soon as you put them in your mouth, kinda like old-school aspirins.

 

[Sasha]

Miyarisan comes in tablet a form, not capsules.

Oh!

 

[anne_likes_red]

At 1 week I started taking 2 per day (after breakfast, with prebiotics).
I've been sleeping at night for a longer, uninterrupted time. I'm not sure if there's a connection there or not. ...Just mentioning in case it tallies with anyone elses experience after starting Miyarisan. I've also been waking with less dry eyes - didn't think my eyes were particularly dry in the first place really but I'm definiely waking with a different feeling in them. Sinuses feel extra good too.
I'm experiencing slight swelling in lymph glands and I'm a bit more tired by evening time. Only occasional gut symptoms of mild cramping. All very subtle, and manageable so far.

 

[Asklipia]

Good luck to all! I wish you all shiny eyes and good sleep and no more allergies and happy sinuses and fully butyrated insides!

 

[Sasha]

I've also been waking with less dry eyes - didn't think my eyes were particularly dry in the first place really but I'm definiely waking with a different feeling in them.

Although I realise this stuff isn't a magic elixir I've realised I'm hoping it (and pre/probiotics in general) might help loads of symptoms I've got that might be dysbiosis-related, such as dry eyes.

 

[Gondwanaland]

OK, one hour after taking my 1st tablet I have tinnitus, some itchy, airy sensation in my nose and throat accompanied by a quick sneeze attack, and the darned blurry vision that I had just got rid of by taking copper. So I just took a sprinkle of copper. Tomorrow I will take the Miyarisan after dinner.

 

[adreno]

One of the first things I noticed with CB was a "clean out" of my sinuses - it was pouring out for a month or so. It seems to have calmed down now.

 

[Sasha]

My package just arrived from Japan! So exciting - box ten times the size of the bottle, lots of stamps with flowers and teddy bears.

Taking my first tablet noooooooowwwwww...

Expecting to be cured by dinnertime.

 

[Gondwanaland]

lots of stamps with flowers and teddy bears

Awww who was thee seller?

 

[Sasha]

Awww who was thee seller?

It was JapanOnlineStore.com - I'm not sure if this is the stuff I just ordered express or the stuff I ordered economy weeks ago.

Either way, great stamps! They're all printed in blocks of ten on single sheets - a much better way than the boring stuff we do in the UK.

 

[Sasha]

Do we know what C. butyricum likes to eat? Have I missed this?

 

[South]

It's alive! (insert creepy movie noises here)

I did a little culturing experiment with my c. butyricum, and it lives!
And for @Sasha, in answer to:

Do we know what C. butyricum likes to eat

I used to make yogurt from probiotic capsules to see if they were alive or not. The good brands of probiotics turned milk into yogurt, and the placebo container of plain milk stayed still looked and tasted like milk.

Rudimentary, I know, but I wanted to know if the reason probiotics never used to do anything good for me was that they might be dead. I used a little yogurt making machine to do it.

Anyway, fast forward to the present, and I did the same experiment with my Miyarisan. Placebo container of plain milk still tastes and smells like plain milk, but the milk with C. Butyricum Miyarisan added is now a cheesey thick liquid, which smells and tastes just like butyric acid.

What butyric acid tastes like: I used to buy capsules of it, and several times when taking them had one open so I tasted and smelled them. It's not a very pleasant smell/taste. It's very different from other food or spoilage smells.
Swallowing capsules of butyric acid doesn't replenish gut stores of it well though, I've heard; we have to hire the little bugs to make it for us.

Here's a study listing some foods that C. Butyricum can use as "carbon sources", which inluded glucose, lactose, potatoes, and other starches, but...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1390654/ (at the end of the Introduction paragraph)

...but I've read that most bacteria can't grow on a single ingredient like that, a "carbon source" means other nutrients must be present for the bacteria to actually grow.

I used milk for the experiment because other probiotics can use it as a complete food. Milk is a blend of amino acids, lactose, and other nutrients.

For people who can't eat dairy products, maybe take the CB with a full meal that includes some of any kind of starch or glucose but also has other foods for amino acids etc.

 

[Sasha]

So I guess for people who can't eat dairy products, maybe take the CB with a full meal that includes some of any kind of starch or glucose but also has other foods for amino acids etc.

What an interesting experiment you did!

I can't have dairy but I'm glad it went down the hatch after some quinoa and chicken.

 

[South]

PS I don't have anything to report about taking the CB myself - so far i've only taken a tiny crumb of about 1/10 of a tablet, because of bad past experiences with other probiotics.

I didn't eat the milk cultures I made, for the same reason - Taking strong doses in the past with other probiotics has given me bad experiences like complete brain fog and very swollen glands, so I'm gun shy with starting out with something strong.

I'll have to go slow with taking this product.

 

[Asklipia]

I thought that C. butyricum is strictly anaerobic, so that it is not possible to cultivate
it if there is oxygen?

 

[South]

I thought that C. butyricum is strictly anaerobic, so that it is not possible to cultivate
it if there is oxygen?

It is strictly anaerobic. The common yogurt probiotics: lactobacillus acidophilus, etc, are also strictly anaerobic, and yet people make yogurt from them all the time without needing a special oxygen-free chamber.

My impressions is that the liquid to make the culture, milk in my case, is so low in oxygen below the top surface of the liquid that the bacteria swimming around in the liquid stay happy.