Struggling bad about getting Covid Vaccine

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[TiredBill]

Some good news to share. The baby (mentioned earlier) who was in the ICU is going to live and will hopefully be heading home soon.

The baby had a co-infection with Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV). In a worrisome trend, this combination of Covid and RSV is reportedly hitting young children very hard.

My friend lost 3/5 adult friends who were in the ICI in Houston last week. The baby is going to make it.

Bill

 

[TiredBill]

More news out of Texas (where the need for ICU beds is stressing capacity):

North Texas doctors have quietly developed a plan that seeks to prepare for the possibility that due to the COVID-19 surge the region will run out of intensive-care beds.

If that happens, for the first time, doctors officially will be allowed to take vaccination status of sick patients into account along with other triage factors to see who gets a bed.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/wat...s-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/

Bill

 

[andyguitar]

North Texas doctors have quietly developed a plan that seeks to prepare for the possibility that due to the COVID-19 surge the region will run out of intensive-care beds.

Can they move patients to another State that has spare beds? Thats what happened in England last January/February when the main hospital in my area started to run out of beds.

 

[TiredBill]

Can they move patients to another State that has spare beds? Thats what happened in England last January/February when the main hospital in my area started to run out of beds.

As I understand it, the whole region is swamped. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Florida are in a world of hurt.

Hopefully it doesn't come to this, but if they start needing to triage patients, those left out are unlikely to survive.

Sad situation, to say the least.

Bill

 

[Sherpa]

I got Moderna vaccine. For me it was surprisingly powerful, easily the hardest and most system-shocking drug I've ever taken.

First shot was very mild, light side effects for 24 hours after injection. Like the feeling you get if you think you might be coming down with a cold. No problem.

Second shot: I had a very intense inflammatory reaction to it! It has been 6 days since the shot and I am still having neuro-inflammation and chronic fatigue symptoms - where before the vax I was symptom-free & very active, feeling like a million bucks. I wish I hadn't gotten the 2nd shot! but I will confidently navigate my way out of this like I have done many times before on my journey. You just have to lower the inflammation and slowly ramp up activity back to normal.

I discovered Dr. Kilmas' supplement advice for people getting the vax and took some Bendryl 4 days after. It seemed to help. I have ordered this liposomal antihistimine supplement to help me get over the histame and cool the inflammation.

 

[Fighttolive]

Wow- sorry to hear about your rough going of it.

The walls are closing in here in New York and I am thinking of the Johnson and Johnson… does anyone have any experience with that?

Novavax does not seem likely anytime soon?

I am currently using n95 mask, face shield, 600MG NAC, 1000 mg Vit C, 60mg Zinc, 800mg quercetin and Xlear nasal spray 2x a day, waiting for caraganeen to come. Oh and 5k vitamin d every other day.

for some reason excess vitamin d gives me bad anxiety.

 

[TiredBill]

Wow- sorry to hear about your rough going of it.

The walls are closing in here in New York and I am thinking of the Johnson and Johnson… does anyone have any experience with that?

Novavax does not seem likely anytime soon?

I am currently using n95 mask, face shield, 600MG NAC, 1000 mg Vit C, 60mg Zinc, 800mg quercetin and Xlear nasal spray 2x a day, waiting for caraganeen to come. Oh and 5k vitamin d every other day.

for some reason excess vitamin d gives me bad anxiety.

It is very unlikely we will see Novavax in the United States this year. Europe may.

Moderna has the greatest protection against preventing infections from Delta based on the evidence available now. Any vaccine, J&J included, is still going to offer pretty good protection from hospitalization and death.

Delta is very highly contagious. Much worse than the Alpha wave.

Bill

 

[Wayne]

I have ordered this liposomal antihistimine supplement to help me get over the histame and cool the inflammation.

Hi @Sherpa -- Thanks for your report. You may want to consider checking out this article:

Resolving "Long-Haul COVID" and Vaccine Toxicity: Neutralizing the Spike Protein

 

[TiredBill]

Hi @Sherpa -- Thanks for your report. You may want to consider checking out this article:

Resolving "Long-Haul COVID" and Vaccine Toxicity: Neutralizing the Spike Protein

Links to a group that promulgates debunked Covid "cures" and conspiracy theory nonsense are not helpful Wayne.

People's lives are at stake.

Bill

 

[TiredBill]

Here is what Nancy Kilmas had to say (back when US Covid deaths were "only" 330, 000 and it was not a Delta pandemic):

COVID kills people. It kills people with over activated and damaged immune systems preferentially – and that is what ME/CFS is all about. So while there certainly is a risk of an ME relapse with these hyper reactive vaccines (the first wave to be released), you have to weigh the possibility of an ME relapse against the risk of death from COVID-19...

More than 330,000 Americans have died. The new strain of the virus is likely to make our current rate of infection go much higher. Please take this seriously.

Since then US deaths have nearly doubled and Covid has mutated into a dramatically more contagious illness. The one line of defense is safe and effective vaccines.

Listen to Kilmas when she says: denial of the risk of COVID-19 [is] allowing this head in the sand thinking. Take a hard look at the stats and your risk. Then make a smart decision.

Bill

 

[Wayne]

People's lives are at stake.

And mainstream medicine isn't doing very well in dealing with it, are they? If they would focus on simple, low-cost therapies that have withstood the test of time, this whole pandemic crisis could become manageable in relatively short order. I'm sure you'll disagree, but I trust organizations like Orthmolecular Medicine (founded by Linus Pauling) far more than I trust the profit-oriented health care system that's currently badly mismanaging the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

[TiredBill]

And mainstream medicine isn't doing very well in dealing with it, are they? If they would focus on simple, low-cost therapies that have withstood the test of time, this whole pandemic crisis could become manageable in relatively short order. I'm sure you'll disagree, but I trust organizations like Orthmolecular Medicine (founded by Linus Pauling) far more than I trust the profit-oriented health care system that's currently badly mismanaging the COVID-19 pandemic.

On the contrary, so-called "mainstream medicine" has provided excellent safe and effective means to save people's lives from Covid. People would be well advised to get themselves vaccinated before it is too late.

Linus Pauling tained his reputation beyond repair by making false claims about Vitamin C etc.

Pushing "treatments" that have been proved to be ineffectual like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin is reckless and the disinformation will lead to people dying needlessly.

People with ME/CFS are at great risk. Please take this seriously.

Bill

 

[livinglighter]

Second shot: I had a very intense inflammatory reaction to it! It has been 6 days since the shot and I am still having neuro-inflammation and chronic fatigue symptoms - where before the vax I was symptom-free & very active, feeling like a million bucks. I wish I hadn't gotten the 2nd shot! but I will confidently navigate my way out of this like I have done many times before on my journey. You just have to lower the inflammation and slowly ramp up activity back to normal.

Sorry to hear about that Sherpa. I hope you can navigate yourself back out of your flare up as easily as possible.

I was going to opt for Moderna based on some earlier anecdotes of people improving afterwards. But following a consultation with a neuroimmunologist who advised taking the vaccine based on his experience of Pfizer and Long covid patients, I switched to Pfizer. I also checked the Health Rising poll which showed slightly higher worsening of symptoms after Moderna vs Pfizer.

 

[Learner1]

There's no reason for others who have had the vaccine to fear being around the unvaccinated, since they're protected

Thats a good point @christiankatz

Last time I checked, there had been over 7,700 breakthrough cases and the vaccinated in Massachusetts.

There were over a thousand cases linked to the 4th of July celebrations in Provincetown, in a highly vaccinated population. Most of these cases have been very mild or asymptomatic, but there were a few who were hospitalized. However it could have been much worse if people weren't vaccinated.

effect. How is it in the USA?

The USA is doing poorly.

Second shot: I had a very intense inflammatory reaction to it! It has been 6 days since the shot and I am still having neuro-inflammation and chronic fatigue symptoms - where before the vax I was symptom-free & very active, feeling like a million bucks. I wish I hadn't gotten the 2nd shot! but I will confidently navigate my way out of this like I have done many times before on my journey. You just have to lower the inflammation and slowly ramp up activity back to normal.

I discovered Dr. Kilmas' supplement advice for people getting the vax and took some Bendryl 4 days after. It seemed to help. I have ordered this liposomal antihistimine supplement to help me get over the histame and cool the inflammation.

I read all of Nancy Klimas' advice and followed it along with my ME/CFS specialists advice, including taking ketotifen and benadryl. I had initial sore arm, slight fever, headache, and fatigue after both my Moderna shots, But these were pretty normal side effects.

The longer term effect that I had was a reactivation of HHV6, which has been a battle that has required both Valcyte and Famvir to beat back. I suspect, given that I've also heard of shingles outbreaks after vaccines That at least some of these reports that we are hearing are related to reactivating herpes viruses. It might be wise if one has increased symptoms to be checked for herpes viruses, preferably PCR tests.

Wow- sorry to hear about your rough going of it.

The walls are closing in here in New York and I am thinking of the Johnson and Johnson… does anyone have any experience with that?

Novavax does not seem likely anytime soon?

I am currently using n95 mask, face shield, 600MG NAC, 1000 mg Vit C, 60mg Zinc, 800mg quercetin and Xlear nasal spray 2x a day, waiting for caraganeen to come. Oh and 5k vitamin d every other day.

for some reason excess vitamin d gives me bad anxiety.

I already take all of the supplements that you mention, and they are all good, but they are not going to be much defense against COVID. Those are relatively low doses. The vaccine would provide a lot more protection. The majority of the vaccinated hospitalized people in the Provincetown break through had had a J&J vaccine, not Moderna or Pfizer

And mainstream medicine isn't doing very well in dealing with it, are they? If they would focus on simple, low-cost therapies that have withstood the test of time, this whole pandemic crisis could become manageable in relatively short order. I'm sure you'll disagree, but I trust organizations like Orthmolecular Medicine (founded by Linus Pauling) far more than I trust the profit-oriented health care system that's currently badly mismanaging the COVID-19 pandemic.

I have not found either modern medicine or orthomolecular / functional / alternative medicine to have all the answers. Turning one's back on modern medicine in favor of just alternative medicine can be foolhardy when faced with a serious illness. And, turning once back on alternative medicine in favor of only conventional medicine is just as foolhardy.

Thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons of various modalities, curating those that tend to have the most potential is wise.

Linus Pauling tained his reputation beyond repair by making false claims about Vitamin C etc.

Linus Pauling has been vindicated for his vitamin C work. He was just ahead of his time.

Sorry to hear about that Sherpa. I hope you can navigate yourself back out of your flare up as easily as possible.

I was going to opt for Moderna based on some earlier anecdotes of people improving afterwards. But following a consultation with a neuroimmunologist who advised taking the vaccine based on his experience of Pfizer and Long covid patients, I switched to Pfizer. I also checked the Health Rising poll which showed slightly higher worsening of symptoms after Moderna vs Pfizer.

The Moderna vaccine is a much stronger comparative dose than the Pfizer, for whatever reason. I didn't have a choice and had the Moderna, but the rest of my family had no choice and got Pfizer. The aftermath of both was similar, though my symptoms were a bit more intense. As I mentioned previously, it would be wise to follow up a month out to look for reactivations of herpes viruses which could be behind the more serious effects.

I'm still glad I got the vaccine, especially given the uptick in Delta drive infections.

@TiredBill, "no evidence thus far" is just plain silencing those who have had extreme life-changing problems from these vaccines.

I was invovled in a meeting yesterday about this very topic. I'm only going to share screenshots of some of the content, but please, understand - this isn't "anti-vax" or "anti-science" - this is "hey, many of us are getting setback" from these novel vaccines.

So much so that 40,000 people are enrolled at the NIH to study. This isn't a minor problem. From what I'm gathering, the NIH is very aware something terribly unfortunate is happening to a very unlucky subset of the ME, LC, and healthy community

These people deserve to be heard too & not have to hide because of fear - please don't silence them.

Thank you for sharing the slides. I saw propaganda on them, but no science or data to back up the claims. As I mentioned previously, looking for reactivations of herpes viruses and probably other viruses in these patients might be wise. As well as abnormalities of immune function, and hormonal or nutritional deficiencies.

 

[Wayne]

Turning one's back on modern medicine in favor of just alternative medicine can be foolhardy when faced with a serious illness. And, turning once back on alternative medicine in favor of only conventional medicine is just as foolhardy. -- Thoughtful analysis of the pros and cons of various modalities, curating those that tend to have the most potential is wise.

I couldn't agree with you more!

Linus Pauling has been vindicated for his vitamin C work. He was just ahead of his time.

I might just add, he's been vindicated many times over. Those who say otherwise and continue to cast aspersions on his work have not been doing their homework.

 

[TiredBill]

Linus Pauling HAS NOT been "vindicated" for his Vitamin C work.

This Orthomolecular medicine bunch pushed Vitamin C as a cure for HIV/AIDS back in the day and got people who listened to their nonsense killed. Now they are back pushing bogus Covid treatments.

Will we ever learn?

Bill

 

[georgina699]

My second shot of Pfizer was on March 15th. On June 10th I've started having extremely stiff neck, and in August arms and legs started hurting as well. My appointment with neurologist is in October(they're overbooked because of covid).
Prior to vaccine I suffered from fatigue but there was never a muscle pain.

I am convinced that spike protein from vaccine crossed the barrier and went to brain reactivating my EBV and/or causing Polymyositis.

 

[Woof!]

I already take all of the supplements that you mention, and they are all good, but they are not going to be much defense against COVID. Those are relatively low doses. The vaccine would provide a lot more protection.

Hmmm.....I wouldn't call 1000 mg Vit C a low dose, and you need a pretty tough stomach to tolerate 60 mg of Zinc. (If I take more than 25 mg at a time, it makes me wicked sick.) I'm still a fan of C + Zinc anytime I feel something coming on, tho,' but just not in mega-doses.

As to the vaccine being a lot more protection, I certainly agree. Glad I got my first one and I'm looking forward to my second.