Reddit moderators deleting posts of people claiming they developed long covid from vaccine

[IThinkImTurningJapanese]

Also everyone who is hesitant with these experimental vaccines is so, because of past bad experiences by oneself or realatives.

That's an assumption, it's reasonable to believe that some have been influenced by propaganda.

 

[Learner1]

Per my understanding of the vaccine, it's actually not possible.

Thing is, you need to get COVID to get long COVID. The vaccine doesn't actually contain any virus, just a bitty bit of mRNA, not even enough mRNA to make a virus. So you can no more get COVD or long COVD from the vaccine than you could from an injection of salt water. It's just not in there.

This week, there have been multiple news reports of a cluster of over 900 COVID cases in Provincetown, MA. Over 70% of these patients were vaccinated. They were not asymptomatic.

Though the percentage is small, 5 of these were hospitalized, and I believe 3 of those had the one dose J&J vaccine.

It is quite possible to get long COVID if you had COVID.

Ok, we can say that vaccines cannot give you "long covid". But can vaccines give you ME/CFS? At this point, we don't know enough to say that the answer is definitely "no".

p.s. I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

I am in favor of the vaccine. It does seem to prevent more serious cases in most people.

However, it triggered a PCR positive HHV6 reactivation in me, and there are reports of it triggering EBV and shingles in others.

If one has an extended period of feeling ill, including increased fatigue, it would be prudent to be tested for these viruses, which have all been linked to ME/CFS and are being linked to long COVID, and then to treat any viruses found.

These and other viruses can trigger autoimmunity, including POTS.

 

[pamojja]

That's an assumption, it's reasonable to believe that some have been influenced by propaganda

It hasn't beared out in lower vaccination rates in English speaking countries. Therefore my assumption is to a certain extent supported by real data.

However complicating the issue is 'propaganda' or one-sided informations works both ways.

I know many more who have been swayed by their blind believe in their doctor's advise, without being thoroughly informed of the possible consequences of experimental vaccine, where there doesn't exists any long-term safety data. Nor have they been dilligent enough for searching and investigating scientific papers, which tried to summarize potential risks.

 

[5vforest]

However, it triggered a PCR positive HHV6 reactivation in me, and there are reports of it triggering EBV and shingles in others.

Lol, well I'm currently treating for PCR-positive EBV, so there we go. Do you have any source on these reports? interesting.

 

[Hip]

Their reach isn't much further than the anglo-sphere. If they really infuenced any percentage, it would be visible by now in lower vaccination rates in the US or GB. But isn't.

That may be true, but other countries have their own anti-vax movements, which existed before the coronavirus pandemic, and have their own equivalents of Joseph Mercola.

In France for example, the anti-vax film propaganda Hold-up by Pierre Barnérias was influential, and was available to watch online. The film promotes the toxic idea that SARS-CoV-2 was deliberately created as a ploy to enslave humanity.

Unfortunately the French YouTube did not act quick enough to remove this Hold-up movie, and so it was watched by millions. It apparently is very popular among French QAnon conspiracy theorists.

In France, the media have been quite tolerant of anti-vax personalities, and give them a lot of air time, including anti-vaxxers in television debates. So not surprising that anti-vax sentiment is strong in France. One vaccination center was recently burned down by an arson attack.

These sort of violent acts can occur if you do not remove pseudoscientific material from platforms such as YouTube.

In the UK we also had some 5G transmitters burned down, as a result of the nonsense idea that 5G was causing the COVID pandemic.

 

[andyguitar]

What would have happened if we had waited? What are you implying?

If the vaccines had not been used as soon as they became available the rate of hospitalization would not have dropped. So in the UK at any rate, the NHS would not have been able to cope with the number of patients. The only way the infection rate could have been kept at a low level would have been to continue strict lockdown.

 

[Learner1]

Lol, well I'm currently treating for PCR-positive EBV, so there we go. Do you have any source on these reports? interesting.

My own lab reports before and after my vaccine, showing results going from PCR negative to positive, which I reported on the VAERS system.

For others:

https://www.aaaai.org/allergist-resources/ask-the-expert/answers/2021/shingles-covid

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/7/20/1_5516488.html

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijd.15700

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27036

 

[drob31]

The thing I think that has to be earned here is trust.

You have the government and big pharma who are the ones asking you to trust them. You look at the governments track record such as the Tuskegee experiment and mk ultra. And then you look at big pharma, companies like pfizer which paid 2.9 billion in 2009 for lying about trial results and paying off doctors. Then, you can see why its hard for people to trust them so easily.

Also the current president was the #1 recipient of donations by big pharma in 2020, with almost 9 million donated to him.


You can see how this looks.

 

[IThinkImTurningJapanese]

The only way the infection rate could have been kept at a low level would have been to continue strict lockdown.

Well, you could get people to wear masks. That's worked here.

 

[hapl808]

Not sure why the USA was so resistant to masks, but it didn't help that the first months (and really several months) had such terrible messaging. You can't tell people they shouldn't run around in masks and that they'll touch their faces and give themselves Covid and that masks don't protect the wearer at all - then expect when you switch your position that everyone immediately falls in line.

Was amazing to me in the early days of the pandemic to watch the difference between Asia and the West in how they treated things.

 

[IThinkImTurningJapanese]

If the vaccines had not been used as soon as they became available the rate of hospitalization would not have dropped.

You don't know that. You're assuming, and it's a rather poor assumption. I gather from what you're saying, that infection rate dropped after vaccination rate rose. But there are other possible explanations, perhaps herd immunity had been reached from natural infections.

Correlation doesn't equal causation.

Using the same logic, I could conclude that vaccinations cause an explosion in infections.

Here in Japan, infections subsided and lockdowns were relaxed before vaccinations were started. When vaccinations began, we had an explosion of infections.

In my prefecture, we had 180 infections from the start of this pandemic till the end of April 2021. Now we have over 4,000. Immediately after starting vaccinations. And our hospitals are collapsing, one patient, not in my prefecture, was turned away from 100 facilities before being accepted.

That doesn't mean the vaccinations caused it, correlation doesn't equal causation.

We need to encourage each other to engage in better critical thinking. Our lives are at stake, but I probably don't need to remind you of that. ME/CFS is a master educator in that respect.

 

[Dakota15]

You + ME has surveyed 208 ME patients regarding the vaccine.

15% said they are "somewhat worse" or "significantly worse" thus far.

Screenshot shared below.

 

[drob31]

This week, there have been multiple news reports of a cluster of over 900 COVID cases in Provincetown, MA. Over 70% of these patients were vaccinated. They were not asymptomatic.

Though the percentage is small, 5 of these were hospitalized, and I believe 3 of those had the one dose J&J vaccine.

It is quite possible to get long COVID if you had COVID.

I am in favor of the vaccine. It does seem to prevent more serious cases in most people.

However, it triggered a PCR positive HHV6 reactivation in me, and there are reports of it triggering EBV and shingles in others.

If one has an extended period of feeling ill, including increased fatigue, it would be prudent to be tested for these viruses, which have all been linked to ME/CFS and are being linked to long COVID, and then to treat any viruses found.

These and other viruses can trigger autoimmunity, including POTS.

I read something that suggested it having a inhibitory effect on t cells allowing for viral reactivation. I have to find where a read this, but the doctor was seeing a big increase in cervical cancer because of hpv reactivation.


Here is a link for reactivation of shingles:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aj...on/U4MPENQYQNAXBJ3GLJFVB6ESQQ/?outputType=amp


So it could cause reactivation of other viruses by that logic.

 

[Hip]

You don't know that. You're assuming, and it's a rather poor assumption. I

It is not really an assumption: studies demonstrate that COVID vaccination greatly reduces hospitalization if you catch coronavirus.

 

[drob31]

Per my understanding of the vaccine, it's actually not possible.

Thing is, you need to get COVID to get long COVID. The vaccine doesn't actually contain any virus, just a bitty bit of mRNA, not even enough mRNA to make a virus. So you can no more get COVD or long COVD from the vaccine than you could from an injection of salt water. It's just not in there.

That's not to say you can't get side effects. I felt icky for days after my shots. But that's certainly not the same thing as getting the long or short version of COVID.

I know it's a tender topic, but I 'm honestly relieved when vaccine misinformation gets taken off the internet.

The theory is that it's the spike proteins that cause long haul covid. The vaccine creates 10s of trillions of spike proteins and they show up in many places in your body instead of staying in your arm where its injected.

 

[Guwop2]

The theory is that it's the spike proteins that cause long haul covid. The vaccine creates 10s of trillions of spike proteins and they show up in many places in your body instead of staying in your arm where its injected.

This unfortunately has been my experience for 4 months and counting (long-Covid/long-Covid-symptoms from vaccine). If i only felt rough for a couple of days after I'd probably also have the view that everyone should just suck it up get vaxxed.

 

[drob31]

This unfortunately has been my experience for 4 months and counting (long-Covid/long-Covid-symptoms from vaccine). If i only felt rough for a couple of days after I'd probably also have the view that everyone should just suck it up get vaxxed.

Unfortunately I feel like people with cfs/me need to do more research than the average person before they get pushed in to it. I think people being pressured is rediculous.

 

[hapl808]

It is not really an assumption: studies demonstrate that COVID vaccination greatly reduces hospitalization if you catch coronavirus.

That is not what the study shows unless I'm misreading it. It shows that vaccination reduces hospitalization from COVID-19. Period. The way you phrased it sounds like if you still catch it in a breakthrough, then hospitalization risk is lowered. The data on that is less clear, even though I've seen it stated that way from multiple health officials.

In most populations where we've seen breakthroughs tracked, hospitalization is around 5%-10% of cases, with 1%-2% mortality. Now the likelihood of catching SARS-CoV-2 in the first place may be reduced by 94%, so even with a 0% reduction of severity, you already have a 94% protection against hospitalization or death.

These VE numbers are not cumulative. If they say 95% protection against infection and 95% against hospitalization, it's all in that one number. It just means if you compare a vaccinated and unvaccinated group, 95% fewer people in the vaccinated group will be hospitalized for COVID-19.

I'm not clear that there's robust data to show that if you get a breakthrough it's overwhelmingly likely to be mild. I think that's overstating the data if you look at each state's breakthrough reporting.

 

[IThinkImTurningJapanese]

It is not really an assumption: studies demonstrate that COVID vaccination greatly reduces hospitalization if you catch coronavirus.

Study suggests.

Having adequate Vitamin D levels, NAD+, and avoiding obesity, have been demonstrated to reduce the chance of hospitalization due to severity.

Thank you so much @pamojja @Wayne

 

[Learner1]

Study suggests.

Having adequate Vitamin D levels, NAD+, and avoiding obesity, have been demonstrated to reduce the chance of hospitalization due to severity.

Thank you so much @pamojja @Wayne

Not sure what's happening in Japan, but the daily news in the US is filled with stories of unvaccinated, non-obese, not high risk, healthy pros in their 20s, 30s, and 40s are filling up hospital beds at scarily in reading rates. What do they have in common?

They're UNVACCINATED...

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/is-the-delta-variant-making-younger-adults-sicker-quicker/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-hospital-patients-tend-to-be-younger-now-11621271313

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57840825