Dr Markov CBIS Theory of ME/CFS - General Discussion
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Using chromogenic agar. If you search for the word chromogenic on this thread, you will get more info.
To store the live bacteria on your agar long term (many months), I believe you can place the agar or dipslide in the freezer. I placed some agar containing my live bacteria in the freezer a few months ago, and when I thawed them, they were still viable. For short term storage (a week or so), you can place them in the coldest part of the fridge, preferably in an area which is 5°C or lower (below 5°C, bacteria growth is greatly slowed).
I am not sure if the autovaccines require shoulder blade injection, but I think the Staphylococcus vaccine does (@Hipsman I believe gets his Staphylococcus vaccine in the shoulder blade).
I asked some family members if they would help, but they were scared to do it. So I am not sure on this; in a test, I did manage to inject myself in the shoulder blade, but it was very difficult to do.
The autovaccine I just started using needs to be injected subcutaneously in 4 different places to avoid inflammation (48 hours in between each injection): right arm >left arm > left leg > right leg.
So basically you do 1st injection in right arm, then 2nd injection in left arm, 3rd in left leg and so on, after 4th injection you repeat starting from right arm - so just going clockwise.
From what I understood, it's specifically the Staphylococcus vaccine that needs to be injected into the shoulder blade, not the autovaccine.
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@Hip if I get this correct, you will have to inject both your shoulder blade and also rotate the four other locations?
But you will perhaps treat one thing at the time?
Staphylococcus and autovaccine apart?
If so- how will you store the vaccination that have to wait?
But you will perhaps treat one thing at the time?
Staphylococcus and autovaccine apart?
If so- how will you store the vaccination that have to wait?
very thin, they use 1ml insulin syringes, these have the thinnest needles (and short). I think I would inject myself with this new autovaccine if there were no other option, but I sure wouldn't be able to do shoulder blade injections!
Also, I can assuming I don't get worse (witch I didn't), but 2 years ago I tried injecting myself, and first time I was able to do it fine, but I got slightly worse after first injection and just could not do the second one!
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I believe Dr Markov offers patients two options: being injected by a nurse at the clinic, or after having being shown how to vaccinate in the clinic, allowing the patients to do the injections at home. Subcutaneous injections are quite easy to do.
I use 30 gauge needles (0.3 mm outer diameter, 13 mm needle length) for subcutaneous injections. These are the sort of very thin needles used for insulin injection.
There are specific locations in the body that you can use for subcutaneous injection (basically belly, thigh and upper arm): the attached pdf indicates these locations. Some of Dr Markov's subcutaneous injections go under the lower part of the shoulder blade.
No, Dr Markov's Staphylococcus vaccine (called Staphylo-PrimaVac) always goes under the shoulder blade, whereas the autovaccine is rotated in different locations, as Hipsman indicated.
Vaccines generally need to be refrigerated for transport and storage. So you would need to keep vaccines in a cold part of the fridge (but avoid freezing).
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I just became aware that the Environmental Health Centre Dallas (EHCD) offers autovaccine treatment, see this page on their website.
I suspect that if an ME/CFS patient approached the EHCD and asked them if they would be able to follow the Markov protocol for treating ME/CFS with autovaccines, the EHCD would likely say yes.
So via the EHCD, this could open up Dr Markov's curative autovaccine treatment to patients in the US who are able to get to Dallas.
I recently had some email contact with the EHCD when I was contacting various ME/CFS researchers to inform them about Dr Markov's CBIS theory of ME/CFS and his autovaccine treatment. The person who replied to my email said that Dr Elizabeth Seymour at the EHCD was interested in the Markov approach to treating ME/CFS. So Dr Seymour would be worth contacting for anyone interested in receiving Dr Markov's treatment in the US.
I suspect that if an ME/CFS patient approached the EHCD and asked them if they would be able to follow the Markov protocol for treating ME/CFS with autovaccines, the EHCD would likely say yes.
So via the EHCD, this could open up Dr Markov's curative autovaccine treatment to patients in the US who are able to get to Dallas.
I recently had some email contact with the EHCD when I was contacting various ME/CFS researchers to inform them about Dr Markov's CBIS theory of ME/CFS and his autovaccine treatment. The person who replied to my email said that Dr Elizabeth Seymour at the EHCD was interested in the Markov approach to treating ME/CFS. So Dr Seymour would be worth contacting for anyone interested in receiving Dr Markov's treatment in the US.
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Ah that's good news! Hopefully someone on here can try it out.
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I live in okc so i will be contact her. Dallas is essentially down the street from me.
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If you contact Dr Elizabeth Seymour, you might like to give her a link to Dr Markov's published paper (which contains his reports 1 to 6). There are also other Markov papers (reports 7 to 9) available to buy on his website here (the concise version of all reports 1 to 9 costs $30).
Plus the first post in this thread contains a summary of all the useful info that Dr Oleg Markov (the brother of Dr Igor Markov) posted on this forum.
The Markov Clinic say they are happy to collaborate with any researchers or clinics who wish to follow the Markov protocol, or wish to further research into Dr Markov's CBIS theory and treatment of ME/CFS, in order to get the word out about the CBIS theory, and to open up access to the treatment. So it's likely that the Markov Clinic would be pleased to help out Dr Elizabeth Seymour. This is something you might mention to Dr Seymour.
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Ok ty so much, i def will when they contact me. I messaged them earlier. If i dont hear from them by wednesday ill call their office. Prob before tbh lol.
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Talked to them, waitint to hear from her personal assistant. How do they administer the vax? Fat, intravenous? Wonder if i could transport. 3 hours from dallas to house. Maybe in a dry ice cooler.
If these autovaccines are the same as Dr. Markov’s, then it should be subcutaneous injections and they shoud be transportable for 24hours at room temp, do not freeze.
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You could transport the vaccines in a small expanded polystyrene box (Styrofoam), into which you can place one or two freezer blocks. That's the way vaccines and other temperature sensitive items are often shipped.
Expanded polystyrene (EPS) is a good thermal insulator, and slows the escape of the cold from the box.
The thicker the EPS walls of the box, the longer the cold will be maintained. If you have walls about 5 cm thick, then the cold inside the box from about 500 ml of freezer blocks can be maintained for several days (provided the box is sealed with an EPS lid of the same thickness).
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I don't think so, but to be safe, you can place something between vaccines and the freezer block, to separate them, like a piece of bubblewrap.
Most of the cold stored in a freezer block comes not from its low temperature, but from the fact that it takes a lot of energy to melt ice (turning ice into water without any temperature change needs a lot of energy; this energy is called the latent heat of melting).
So a freezer block taken from the freezer at say -15°C and placed in a box will quickly heat up to 0°C, and then remain at 0°C for a long time in your box, as the ice slowly melts. Once all the ice has melted, that's really the end of the cooling provided by the block.
Preparing to grow bacteria from swabs from my nose and throat and was thinking that using the Covid lateral flow tests (which are free, at least in the U.K) to take a swab and then isolate in the mixture provided to then drip onto the agar dip-slides, instead of on the covid test strip. Does anyone have any thought as to whether this would work?
also, any suggestion on which urine bacterial culture test i should be looking to get - one that will allow me to add the bacteria from the agar into. I'm in the U.K (London) if anyone has any specific suggestions.
also, any suggestion on which urine bacterial culture test i should be looking to get - one that will allow me to add the bacteria from the agar into. I'm in the U.K (London) if anyone has any specific suggestions.
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I think it should work.
According to @Hipsman in this post, the mucus may contain the highest levels of bacteria, so adding a mucus sample to the agar may be an idea.
You can buy sterile cotton swabs on Amazon if you need a larger supply. On eBay UK I saw for less than £3 a packet of sterile cotton swabs (though not individually wrapped).
This company do a postal urine culture test which identifies bacteria for £99.
Though if you add both your urine-derived bacteria and nasal-derived bacteria to the urine to be sent to the lab, when these bacteria are identified, you will not know where the identified bacteria came from.