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"if I understand it right, this leaves us with a protocol which would try to reestablish the methylation cycle by taking B2 and manganese for a while. Hoping for the best, since if the methylation cycle is restored, the B12 deficiency and other deficiencies might correct themselves after a while.
Am I correct?"
The reason for taking b2 and manganese is rather, to help the cells produce more ATP. Once there is more energy being produced, the body can start to bring itself into balance when it is given further nutrients it is short of, developing dependence on food rather than supplements and the methylation cycle will sort itself out as everythng else will. The basic problem is that not enough attention has been paid to the role b2 has and how easy it is depleted.
"The crash and detox effects than happen with mb12 and metafolin (I think someone has reported that last one alone?), defined by Freddd as paradoxical folate deficiency would be avoided. Is that the aim of not taking methyl donors?"
I think the idea is that taking methyl donors is not required as the body makes itself the amount it needs once that the more basic deficiencies are sorted out
"However I find that taking B2 and manganese does bring me that same crash and detox after a few days. Is this a proof that the methylation cycle is working again? Going into overdrive maybe? Sorry I am not too clear about all this."
It might be. I am not sure how Christine will advise people who have these crashes. Maybe manganese needs to be up first. Some may have to wait till her paper is out as I am not sure she is taking on new clients as for now.
"I suppose the proof is in the pudding. Are any of the people on the B2-manganese/methyl donor avoidance people getting any better after x days of that protocol?"
I was good at first then have bad days and then really good days.
"I am getting better in some respects after 3 weeks on B2 (12.5 to 25 mg/day) and manganese (10 mg every other day). More energy, deeper breath, more dreams but awful. Some things are getting worse: sleep agitated and shorter, hearing loss, vague nausea sometimes, irritation of the eyes and joints.
Maybe three weeks is not much, but I was hoping for more!"
I am getting dream recall. Are you taking two apples a day for bile? Are you on b12? Are you taking in too much folic acid? Your problems may be due to iron release. I know how you feel - on bad days I am very frustrated.
"if I understand it right, this leaves us with a protocol which would try to reestablish the methylation cycle by taking B2 and manganese for a while. Hoping for the best, since if the methylation cycle is restored, the B12 deficiency and other deficiencies might correct themselves after a while.
Am I correct?"
The reason for taking b2 and manganese is rather, to help the cells produce more ATP. Once there is more energy being produced, the body can start to bring itself into balance when it is given further nutrients it is short of, developing dependence on food rather than supplements and the methylation cycle will sort itself out as everythng else will. The basic problem is that not enough attention has been paid to the role b2 has and how easy it is depleted.
"The crash and detox effects than happen with mb12 and metafolin (I think someone has reported that last one alone?), defined by Freddd as paradoxical folate deficiency would be avoided. Is that the aim of not taking methyl donors?"
I think the idea is that taking methyl donors is not required as the body makes itself the amount it needs once that the more basic deficiencies are sorted out
"However I find that taking B2 and manganese does bring me that same crash and detox after a few days. Is this a proof that the methylation cycle is working again? Going into overdrive maybe? Sorry I am not too clear about all this."
It might be. I am not sure how Christine will advise people who have these crashes. Maybe manganese needs to be up first. Some may have to wait till her paper is out as I am not sure she is taking on new clients as for now.
"I suppose the proof is in the pudding. Are any of the people on the B2-manganese/methyl donor avoidance people getting any better after x days of that protocol?"
I was good at first then have bad days and then really good days.
"I am getting better in some respects after 3 weeks on B2 (12.5 to 25 mg/day) and manganese (10 mg every other day). More energy, deeper breath, more dreams but awful. Some things are getting worse: sleep agitated and shorter, hearing loss, vague nausea sometimes, irritation of the eyes and joints.
Maybe three weeks is not much, but I was hoping for more!"
I am getting dream recall. Are you taking two apples a day for bile? Are you on b12? Are you taking in too much folic acid? Your problems may be due to iron release. I know how you feel - on bad days I am very frustrated.
