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TL;DR: If you have CFS, you will benefit from a mobility aid, now. Do not wait until you get worse. Get One Now.

If you don’t want to read anything else, then if you’re independent, get a rollator, if you have a carer, get a self-propelled wheelchair. If you want both in one, there’s a combination rollator-wheelchair available.

For any aid you get, you must make sure it is the right size for you, as much as possible, as incorrect sizes can make them less effective or cause actual damage. If you weight above 200lbs, check the weight limit on anything you're getting.

Note: this guide is very North American and European focused, because that’s where I have lived. If you have information about other places, please let me know, and I’ll add them in.

Canes​

Canes are primarily for stability, though they can also help reduce pain in a single leg or hip by distributing some stress to the arm and shoulder using the cane. There are different handle types, folding canes, canes that can stand on their own, and tripod canes the user can sit on. I would recommend anyone with CFS get a cheap folding cane. It’s easy to store, and can provide minor benefits. Make sure you size your cane correct - to make this possible, either get measured for a fixed length cane, or buy an adjustable length cane.

For people newly diagnosed with CFS, especially who have had CFS for much longer than they’ve been diagnosed, I recommend canes as a way to remind yourself to slow down, and to catch when you’re getting tired. I was used to shuffling my feet, but it was very obvious to me when I started dragging my cane and falling out of sync, so this was my sign to sit down.

Also, as much as many of us are reluctant to admit it, we’re disabled. A cane can be a relatively discrete indicator of this, to ourselves, and to others.

Crutches​

Crutches assist by removing weight from one or both legs, or by providing more stability than a cane. Depending on how a person moves with their crutches, it can provide different benefits. Without knowing more, I would recommend forearm support crutches primarily, and then elbow crutches if cost is a significant factor. Make sure you adjust the crutches to your correct size, there are lots of guides for this online.

Underarm Crutches

Underarm crutches, also known as axilla crutches, are most common is North America and are most common for short term use like a broken leg. They’re not ideal for long term use because they’re less manoeuvrable than the other crutch options, and can bruise or dislocate the shoulder/armpit. They’re worth considering as they use less upper body strength, and can often be found for extremely low costs because they’re intended for temporary use.

Elbow Crutches

Elbow crutches, also known as lofstrand or forearm crutches, are the most common option for long term use. They take more time to get adapted to, but then are easier to navigate for most people. Also, if the brace around the forearm is secure, then the user can move their hand/arm without dropping their crutch.

Forearm Support Crutches

Forearm support crutches, also known as arthritic, platform, or gutter crutches, are the rarest option. Forearm support crutches are best for anyone with hypermobility and are usually more recommended for chronic pain (but that’s a complicated subject, as it depends on cause and type of pain).

Walkers

Classic walkers, zimmer frames, and rollators provide very different support. Make sure you adjust your walker to your correct height.

Classic Walkers

A standard walker provides more stability than a cane, and requires less coordination than crutches. They tend to be very light, and foldable, so they’re easy to pack into a car. A walker has four rubber tips, and has to be lifted and placed down again with very step, for this reason, I don’t recommend classic walkers for most people with CFS.

Zimmer Frames

A zimmer frame is like a standard walker, but has two small wheels in the front. Only the back has to be lifted, which can allow the user to walk faster, in a more normal pattern, but this also makes it less stable. The wheels don’t turn, so a wider turning radius is required. I mostly wouldn’t recommend it for people with CFS.

Rollators

Rollators are walkers with wheels on all four ends, and usually a seat, basket, brakes, and backrest. They’re manoeuvrable, but not great for stability. They allow a user to take some weight off their legs, but mostly they provide a travelling seat, and by providing a basket, allow the user to travel light. Most rollators can fold flat and weigh about 15-20lbs. Rollators are particularly useful for anyone with orthostatic intolerance.

Rollators come in two types, A-line (more common in North America) and European style (more common, as the name suggests, in Europe). A-line rollators tend to have smaller wheels, which allows a smaller turn radius and is better for indoor use. They tend to have a metal bar in foam for the backrest, and a cushion over a metal basket for the seat. European rollators have larger wheels, usually have mesh or fabric seats, backrests, and bags, and are better for outdoor use. There are other types of rollators, but even within those two main types they’re fairly similar.

A rollator would be my primary recommendation for people with CFS, as the frame prevents people from bumping into you, allows you to sit whenever needed, and are typically be transported in even a small car.

Upright Walker

Upright walker is a walker where you brace with your forearms instead of your hands, and are an alteration that comes on all the previous types of walkers. They can help prevent hunching, and are better for hyperflexible people who are prone to dislocation.

Wheelchairs

Wheelchairs are a big choice, because they come in the full range of prices from $100 to $15,000, and are seen as a typical symbol of disability, which can make them harder or easier to use than other mobility aids.

Although more than 75% of wheelchair users are ambulatory, meaning they can stand and walk in some ability, there is definitely a widespread perception that all wheelchair users are paralysed.

When looking for wheelchair information, the experiences of people with POTS or EDS are more likely to be relevant than the experiences of someone who is paralysed.

Unfortunately, it's harder to push yourself in a wheelchair than it is to walk, and every electric wheelchair or assist has significant downsides, so a wheelchair may not always be the right choice.

Casters: casters are the front wheels on manual wheelchairs. Smaller casters allows for smaller turning circle. Larger caster wheels are better for rougher terrain, but they are more likely to wobble badly when going at faster speeds, so for CFS people, smaller caster wheels are probably better

Transport Wheelchair

Transport wheelchairs have small rear wheels, so the person sitting within cannot move or adjust their own position, except by scooting forward and using their toe, or foot, to adjust. However, transport wheelchairs are often available second hand, and are available even first hand for a low cost, so they’re worth considering if you don’t have the strength to move yourself at all.

Self Propelled Wheelchair

Self-propelled wheelchairs have large rear wheels which you can use to move yourself. These wheelchairs can still have handles that allow someone else to push you, but don’t always.

Hospital Wheelchair​

These are durable, heavy, and difficult if not impossible to actually move yourself in. The placement of the back wheel means you cannot do a wheelie, which is required for moving yourself over curbs or most bumps over a half-inch.

Off-the-Shelf Wheelchair​

These have a lot in common with hospital wheelchairs, though they tend to be lighter and less durable. If you need to, you can get a $500 wheelchair which will serve you as well as one 3x its price. You can often get these second hand, and they only require a few measurements.

They’re very hard to self-propel for extended periods of time because each joint that moves or bends distributes some of the energy you’ve put pushing. Also, any wheelchair with a back higher than your shoulder blades will be difficult to self propel in, because you need to move your arm far back to get the full range of motion.

You can modify an off-the-shelf wheelchair with the help of a hacksaw and an abundance of audacity (or, preferably, a friend who’s good at DIY)

Folding Wheelchair​

Folding wheelchairs can be custom-made, like the fixed-frame below, and have a range of fold-ability. In general, the more foldable it is, the harder it is to self-propel. But, of course, the more foldable is it, the easier it is to store. For people with CFS, I would strongly recommend a less foldable wheelchair, unless you cannot fit a non-folding chair in your car or house.

Fixed Frame Wheelchair​

Fixed-frame wheelchairs are the lightest weight and the easiest to self propel. They are the least likely to have built in push handles, and have a starting cost of about $2,000 are they’re custom-made to your measurements, and cannot be adjusted once they’re finished. While a fixed frame wheelchair is a reasonable choice for many people with CFS, you absolutely must speak to a professional to be measured and make sure your needs are being met before you get one.

Electric Assist on Self Propelled Wheelchairs​

Electric assist is an add-on which you can get at any point, though not every electric assist is compatible with every wheelchair. Different electric assist devices have different levels of water resistance, maximum speeds, costs, and maximum inclines. Electric assist options start at about $4,000.

Electric Wheelchair

Electric wheelchairs come in a massive range, and depend heavily on your needs, and start about $1,500. Your use-case, environment, and budget will all affect the features of your electric wheelchair.

Outdoor wheelchairs are often weigh enough that you cannot put them in standard cars. Even lighter weight chairs are unlikely to be light enough for a person with CFS to lift, with the lightest weight options starting at about 40lbs. Electric wheelchairs can be extremely difficult, or even impossible, to move when out of battery, so it’s important to be aware of the limits of the chair you’re using.

Electric wheelchairs are about as much effort as a car, and require the maintenance and care of one.

An electric wheelchair would almost certainly improve the life of any person with CFS, but each electric wheelchair is designed for a specific, narrow purpose.

Consider:
  • Where are you using it? (Indoor, outdoor urban, or outdoor wild)
  • How are you transporting it? (car, public transport, custom car, never - it’s staying where it is)
  • How long are you using it in one go? (how long does the battery need to last in one go?)
  • Where are you storing it? (If you live in an apartment without an elevator, an electric wheelchair might not be a good choice since the batteries can be heavy!)
  • How often are you going to use it? Electric wheelchairs have batteries that will break down without regular use.
  • What weather do you have? Many electric wheelchairs shouldn’t be used in rain or wet, and can only go up low levels of incline, so people in hilly or wet environments may get less benefit.

Mobility Scooter​

Mobility scooters are intended for outdoor, urban use, and start at about $600. They can be a good choice to allow a person with CFS to spend more time outdoors without needing to walk, but most mobility scooters are steered using handles that can be tiring to use. You can often try mobility scooters for free at shopping centers or malls

Mobility scooters are about as much effort as a car, and require the maintenance and care of one.

End Note: This guide is a work in progress, please share your own experiences, or anything you think I'm missing. I'm trying to hit the balance between useful information, and readable. Also, I know more about rollators than mobility scooters, and it shows. The first thing to adjust is to add pictures, but I wrote this all today and I'm done for the day lol.
 
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Judee

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Someone is selling a motorized foldable wheel chair on Craigslist near me that I would like to buy but even used it is more than I can afford.

It looks like this: https://www.electricwheelchairsusa.com/products/pride-jazzy-passport-folding-power-chair-jzpass?currency=USD&aff=57&{ignore}param=57&tracking=57&device={device}&msclkid=8a60b48517cf19ea0ad6d0e92524dc1e&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=BK - Low&utm_term=4582627066685569&utm_content=Pride Mobility#anchor&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=394836692&utm_content=1264439362728916&utm_term=&gadid=

Still I thought I'd post that for anyone who is looking for one. Try Craigslist if you don't mind used but be careful to get the one with the joystick steering. They also make one that is two handled steering (one on either side of the seat...why I do not know because it means you cannot use your hands to do anything else, but oh, well.

This one in the link and that the man demonstrates below is supposed to only be about 60lbs and I think you can remove the battery to lighten it for transportation, iirc.

I like his videos. He does a good job of demonstrating mobility chairs and scooters: (He kind shows how to get it into your vehicle too.)
 
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Can you comment on tilt vs reclining wheelchairs?

I am planning to buy a used wheelchair for occasion use, that my family can push me in.

Okay, so I've looked into them a little bit, but if anyone else has experience with them, feel free to correct me!

Reclining and Tilt-in-Space chairs are more expensive than the default, as they have a specialised feature. Every new feature seems to add about $1,000 in price as far as I can tell... 😰

Both chairs are heavier than others because of the anti-tipping and reclining features, so they're limited when it comes to manual use. Some of them will claim to be "self-propelling" but based on where the rear wheel has to be, to maintain balance, and the weight, it would be difficult, and would seriously wreck your shoulders to self-propel in them for any real length of time. For this reason, I would suggest getting transport chairs, as they're much cheaper.

Tilt-in-Space wheelchairs have a fixed angle between the back, seat, and legs, so when you recline, your legs rise. This is better for orthostatic intolerance. You would almost certainly want a chair with a head rest. They're quite heavy. While a family member might be able to push you outside, on a flat surface, this is not the sort of chair that could be used for longer trips since the chairs start as about 50lbs in weight. Tilt-in-Space chairs start new about £2,000, so they're more expensive than reclining wheelchairs.

Reclining wheelchairs have a set position for the seat and legs, but the back can be adjusted from laying back to sitting up. These chairs seem to be more designed for carers to assist someone with minimal core strength and mobility. Reclining chairs are less good for orthostatic intolerance, because your feet are still much lower than your heart. However, they weigh less and are less expensive. I found transport (you can't move yourself) reclining chairs for as little as £200.

A cheaper option might be to get a manual wheelchair with extended legs rests, which can be useful for people who have broken legs as they may be more common second hand.

Any other questions that I didn't think to answer?
 

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Okay, so I've looked into them a little bit, but if anyone else has experience with them, feel free to correct me!

Reclining and Tilt-in-Space chairs are more expensive than the default, as they have a specialised feature. Every new feature seems to add about $1,000 in price as far as I can tell... 😰

Both chairs are heavier than others because of the anti-tipping and reclining features, so they're limited when it comes to manual use. Some of them will claim to be "self-propelling" but based on where the rear wheel has to be, to maintain balance, and the weight, it would be difficult, and would seriously wreck your shoulders to self-propel in them for any real length of time. For this reason, I would suggest getting transport chairs, as they're much cheaper.

Tilt-in-Space wheelchairs have a fixed angle between the back, seat, and legs, so when you recline, your legs rise. This is better for orthostatic intolerance. You would almost certainly want a chair with a head rest. They're quite heavy. While a family member might be able to push you outside, on a flat surface, this is not the sort of chair that could be used for longer trips since the chairs start as about 50lbs in weight. Tilt-in-Space chairs start new about £2,000, so they're more expensive than reclining wheelchairs.

Reclining wheelchairs have a set position for the seat and legs, but the back can be adjusted from laying back to sitting up. These chairs seem to be more designed for carers to assist someone with minimal core strength and mobility. Reclining chairs are less good for orthostatic intolerance, because your feet are still much lower than your heart. However, they weigh less and are less expensive. I found transport (you can't move yourself) reclining chairs for as little as £200.

A cheaper option might be to get a manual wheelchair with extended legs rests, which can be useful for people who have broken legs as they may be more common second hand.

Any other questions that I didn't think to answer?
Thanks for the research! I only plan to use the wheelchair with someone pushing me. This is all so I cab save my energy. Otherwise, attemptibg to self-propel will sap all of it in 1 minute. So, it seeems I need a lightweight tilt-in place transport chair with headrest. Given that something like this is expensive in $$$$, I will need to go with used snd/or insurance reimbursement.
 
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Thanks for the research! I only plan to use the wheelchair with someone pushing me. This is all so I cab save my energy. Otherwise, attemptibg to self-propel will sap all of it in 1 minute. So, it seeems I need a lightweight tilt-in place transport chair with headrest. Given that something like this is expensive in $$$$, I will need to go with used snd/or insurance reimbursement.
If you can try a reclining chair, I recommend it! Some of them are a lot better than others, and how much it suits your needs depends on how reclined you have to be, and how long you expect to spend using the chair at a time. If you can use a reclining chair, you may be able to get one new in your price range.
 

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Elbow Crutches

Elbow crutches, also known as lofstrand or forearm crutches, are the most common option for long term use. They take more time to get adapted to, but then are easier to navigate for most people. Also, if the brace around the forearm is secure, then the user can move their hand/arm without dropping their crutch.

I probably should get these. I've been using underarm for years - I try not to lean at all on the 'underarm' part unless i really need to, but it can make that area sore.
 
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I probably should get these. I've been using underarm for years - I try not to lean at all on the 'underarm' part unless i really need to, but it can make that area sore.
If you’d be willing to share your experience of how/when using crutches helps (and when they don’t) that would be super helpful!

If you do end up getting forearm crutches I’d love to hear how it went/if it helped!

I haven’t been able to do a hands on comparison with CFS in mind, and I wonder if underarm crutches allow for more weight to be put on the crutch when youre really tired, for better or worse.
 

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I haven’t been able to do a hands on comparison with CFS in mind, and I wonder if underarm crutches allow for more weight to be put on the crutch when youre really tired, for better or worse.

That's my guess of one of the issues. It's not great for underarms, but sometimes it's necessary. Also, I can stop and hold them under my armpits and keep my hands free. Some forearm crutches have a strap so maybe allow some of that, but I'll have to see if I get them.
 

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Also, I can stop and hold them under my armpits and keep my hands free.

I don't know how you'd walk yourself with one of these but I was thinking about something like this for you instead of the crutches. ?? Maybe once you got to your work surface you could stand and work through the front. IDK.
VIDEO

Maybe not a good thought but posting to see if it would give you any ideas. (Of course, don't try anything dangerous.)

They also have these kind: https://www.amazon.com/ELENKER-Upri...eywords=standing+walker&qid=1686269561&sr=8-5

However, if you got something like that I would NOT!!!! get the ones that are similar to the European rollators like THIS ONE.

They have a narrow sling seat cushion and a sling back and when I bought one for my Mom and put it together, I tested it and almost fell off the back.

What happened is I sat down thinking that I would need to sit as far back as possible so that my back would be resting against that sling but then I was beyond the narrow fabric seat and sitting over the flimsy fabric storage bag. I started to sink and neither the bag nor the fabric sling back was stopping that.

(Look at that fourth picture down. Her back is well forward of the sling in order to make sure she's still on the narrow seat but her blazer is still hanging over the storage bag. Most weary, disabled people are not going to sit down so carefully that way.)

I honestly think they should take those European rollators off the market completely. They're dangerous.

Anyway, with the regular solid seat/back rollator she could sit all the way back w/o any risk of tipping off backwards.
 
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Tilt-in-Space wheelchairs have a fixed angle between the back, seat, and legs, so when you recline, your legs rise. This is better for orthostatic intolerance.

I had to go look at what one of those are...here is a link to a pricy, very spiffy looking one with lots of accessories and options.....(transport chair-type)

https://medmartonline.com/convaid-f...d-GqvAt6hHxJYnAL2ozhOPDfLzZZlGvxoCpjMQAvD_BwE

I only plan to use the wheelchair with someone pushing me. This is all so I cab save my energy. Otherwise, attemptibg to self-propel will sap all of it in 1 minute.

I'm afraid I'm in about the same state. I won't be self propelling very far for very long.

So I think I need something more transport -like and then I'll hope I can enlist somebody to push me.
 

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Here is my favorite but turn your speakers down as the music is a bit loud and distracting: VIDEO

Does anyone know if those hoverboards are loud? I just wondered if doing what he did in the video and going into a grocery store would be prohibited, maybe if it's loud. ???

Edit: Also do you think someone could push a shopping cart in front of themselves with that?
 
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I don't know how you'd walk yourself with one of these but I was thinking about something like this for you instead of the crutches. ?? Maybe once you got to your work surface you could stand and work through the front. IDK.
VIDEO

Maybe not a good thought but posting to see if it would give you any ideas. (Of course, don't try anything dangerous.)

They also have these kind: https://www.amazon.com/ELENKER-Upri...eywords=standing+walker&qid=1686269561&sr=8-5

However, if you got something like that I would NOT!!!! get the ones that are similar to the European rollators like THIS ONE.

They have a narrow sling seat cushion and a sling back and when I bought one for my Mom and put it together, I tested it and almost fell off the back.

What happened is I sat down thinking that I would need to sit as far back as possible so that my back would be resting against that sling but then I was beyond the narrow fabric seat and sitting over the flimsy fabric storage bag. I started to sink and neither the bag nor the fabric sling back was stopping that.

(Look at that fourth picture down. Her back is well forward of the sling in order to make sure she's still on the narrow seat but her blazer is still hanging over the storage bag. Most weary, disabled people are not going to sit down so carefully that way.)

I honestly think they should take those European rollators off the market completely. They're dangerous.

Anyway, with the regular solid seat/back rollator she could sit all the way back w/o any risk of tipping off backwards.
Oh wow! I wonder about the difference in our rollator. I have a European style one and love it. It’s comfortable enough to sit in for a while at a time, and the back is supportive. My bum does go over the bag on the back a bit, but it’s still very stable. I’ve only felt at risk of tipping when I specifically tried sitting downward on a slope, but I didn’t actually fall.
 
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Here is my favorite but turn your speakers down as the music is a bit loud and distracting: VIDEO

Does anyone know if those hoverboards are loud? I just wondered if doing what he did in the video and going into a grocery store would be prohibited, maybe if it's loud. ???

Edit: Also do you think someone could push a shopping cart in front of themselves with that?
Oh that’s so cool! And so much cheaper than the electric add ons designed for wheelchairs. I believe they do make some noise, but I don’t think they’re any louder than an electric wheelchair.

Hoverboards are banned in some places because they were misused, and cheap ones can have faulty batteries which are a fire hazard. So you would need to check your area. Also, because they don’t look medical, I would be worried about people being mad I’m using a wheelchair for fun, but I’m young and relatively healthy looking.

I wonder what incline they can be used with, I’ve almost only seen people use hoverboards on flat ground 🤔
 
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I had to go look at what one of those are...here is a link to a pricy, very spiffy looking one with lots of accessories and options.....(transport chair-type)

https://medmartonline.com/convaid-f...d-GqvAt6hHxJYnAL2ozhOPDfLzZZlGvxoCpjMQAvD_BwE



I'm afraid I'm in about the same state. I won't be self propelling very far for very long.

So I think I need something more transport -like and then I'll hope I can enlist somebody to push me.
I really hope someone is able to use a tilt in space or reclining chair and report back!

I wasn’t able to find as many people who use those chairs talking about their experiences as I wanted, and I didn’t find anyone with CFS using one, though maybe I didn’t look hard enough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It really feels to me like if the cheap ($200) reclining wheelchairs are usable for people with CFS that could be a significant quality of life improvement for a lot of people. I think the tilt in space ones are a better bet, but it’s so hard to say without hands on anecdotal experience.