I'd go in 3x a week for this treatment if I could find a doctor to do it. I would want it done right. Problem is I can't imagine any doctor would be game.
Commercial preparations of intranasal zinc gluconate gel are marketed as a remedy for the common cold. However, intranasal zinc has been reported as a cause of anosmia in humans and animals. Seventeen patients presenting with anosmia after the use of intranasal zinc gluconate are described.
The authors conducted a retrospective case series of patients presenting to a nasal dysfunction clinic and conducted complete history and physical examination on all patients, including nasal endoscopy. All patients underwent detailed odor threshold and identification testing.
Threshold and identification testing revealed impaired olfaction in all patients. Inflammatory and traumatic causes of anosmia were excluded based on history, physical examination, and imaging. All patients diagnosed with zinc-induced anosmia or hyposmia reported sniffing deeply when applying the gel. This was followed by an immediate sensation of burning lasting minutes to hours. Loss of sense of smell was then perceived within 48 hours. Seven of 17 patients never developed symptoms of an upper respiratory infection.
The zinc-induced anosmia syndrome, characterized by squirt, sniff, burn, and anosmia, occurs after the exposure of olfactory epithelium to zinc cation. It can be distinguished from postviral anosmia based on history.
It is hard to say whether these patients had ME/CFS, or an ME/CFS-like syndrome.If this supposedly cures 25%, I really doubt the patients had me/cfs.
I tend to agree. "Extreme fatigue", not headache pain and pressure, has already been shown to be the most common symptom/indicator of a sinus infection.If this supposedly cures 25 %, I really doubt the patients had me/cfs.
If this supposedly cures 25 %, I really doubt the patients had me/cfs.
Thanks very much for explaining this Richard.@rosie26 no. I assume that it is 0.5% by weight. ZnCl2 is almost equal parts zinc and chlorine by weight 65.38 : 70.9. So it would be about .24% zinc and .26% chlorine. So it would be much more concentrated than seawater.
But Rosie the issue as I understand it is the ablation. The doctor used swabs with this solution to remove damaged infected cells. They are essentially cleaning a wound. I don't think a netti pot or nasal spray would do the job.
I think you would need a doctor.
That was an interesting comment @rosie26. I have an area inside one nostril that keeps scabbing - has done for years. I hadn't thought until now that that might indicate that there are infected areas further up the nasopharynx.I definitely have an area where there seems to be damaged cells in the nasopharynx which keeps getting infected.
The lozenges have arrived already. Will let you know how we go with those.I've bought some of the BLIS K12 probiotic lozenges just now and will trial them.
Same here. If you have it in the nasopharynx part, it will feel sore when it is flaring up and you will get an infected piece coming away some part of it. I have had good years where it settled down but at the moment it has really flared up again
I was put off these lozenges when I saw that they induce interferon. I felt like I experienced interferon in my severe years and I don't want to go there again, even slightly. I am very sensitive to things so I could over-react to it. I would be interested to hear how you find them and whether you felt more fatigued, heavy, exhausted etc while taking them.The lozenges have arrived already. Will let you know how we go with those.
But regardless, this treatment should be of major interest to anyone with post-vaccination ME/CFS, or a post-vaccination ME/CFS-like syndrome, or indeed any post-vaccination autoimmune condition, or even any post-vaccination disease in general, because severe chronic nasopharyngitis may be the cause of some of these post-vaccination conditions, and a treatment of zinc chloride and cotton swab ablation of the damaged nasopharyngeal epithelial cells may provide a cure, or some amelioration of symptoms
Whenever there is a positive study or treatment or recoveries, there are comments like this. How could we possibly say they probably didn't have ME/CFS when we don't know what ME/CFS is?! We are all diagnosed based on a collection of similar symptoms. That's it. If someone has similar symptoms to me and gets better by doing x or y treatment- then i'm interested in it, not dismissive of it.
Sounds like the old antivaxxer trope that vaccines cause autoimmune diseases. They don't and science studies show this.
The study is loosey goosey and is built on faulty premises.
My answers to your questions are as follows,
1. We performed epipharyngeal abrasive treatment twice a day for patients in hospital. It takes at least three weeks to achieve normal condition (clear swabs). For outpatients we usually perform epipharyngeal abrasive treatment once or twice a week. In this occasion, it takes several months to achieve normal condition.
2. We encourage patients to continue treatment until the swabs come back clean as well as symptoms disappear.
3. One out of four patients who had achieved remission relapsed a few months after discharge, but a remission was obtained again due to additional epipharyngeal treatment.