Substantial improvement with (strange) dietary adjustments

[Wonkmonk]

I also found that plain onion soup (onions, water, nothing else) doesn't cause a lot of symptoms even when I activate the onion enzymes by consuming some of the onions raw.

I now strongly suspect it's the combination with fats that's the problem.

 

[Dysfunkion]

For some reason I haven't totally figured out yet, spinach is one of the worst foods to eat for me. It's even worse than kale, which has similar nutrients.

I think it may be the high choline and/or the high oxalate in spinach. I think oxalate as a cause for all sorts of symptoms is really underappreciated. Many people would probably profit from reducing it in their diet.


Also a problem for me: Pungent brassica (cabbage) and allium (leek, garlic) family vegetables. But again, it seems it's only with fat and protein that the negative effect is most pronounced.

I wonder if it's because I just overloaded my system with oxalates I couldn't handle but I don't think I'm normally oxalate sensitive, I eat garlic all the time (black garlic specifically these days) and it's one of my safest foods actually. In fact I don't know what I'd do without my beloved garlic. It's weird though with the cabbage thing because cauliflower is a staple vegetable for me every week and broccoli doesn't present any big issues either but it's not perfect for me as it's a bit less tolerated than cauliflower just like anything that happens to be green which appears to generally ramp up my immune system a bit more. I am going to give asparagus a try today at a small amount lightly cooked in water and see how I react to that.

 

[Wishful]

just like anything that happens to be green

Just curious: do you have cravings for greens? I can go for years without greens without even wistful desires. My ME is a convenient excuse for not "eating my vegetables".

 

[Dysfunkion]

Just curious: do you have cravings for greens? I can go for years without greens without even wistful desires. My ME is a convenient excuse for not "eating my vegetables".

Sometimes, I eat broccoli semi-frequently and that's enough to keep it down. I crave a good salad sometimes too but I don't know if that's "the greens" or just a taste sensory thing I'm craving.

 

[Wonkmonk]

anything that happens to be green... I am going to give asparagus

Same thing, I basically have to avoid all greens. Asparagus wasn't too bad though, both white and green. I suspect even the green one doesn't have a lot of "green" in it compared to spinach or kale.

 

[Wonkmonk]

do you have cravings for greens?

I wouldn't call it "cravings" but I would really enjoy eating greens, but can't. I think I would just feel better if I could include some in my diet. I think we're made to eat at least some amount of greens although we technically might not need them to survive. But no real "cravings".

I do have real cravings for high-lysine foods (hummus, lentils, cheese) and that makes sense because it's an essential amino acid needed for survival. My diet is very low lysine and I clearly feel that the body wants me to eat more of it.

 

[Wonkmonk]

New insight: Mushrooms before or after high-lysine meals (legumes, hummus, cheese) causes a crash.

I don't have a good theory for why that happens, but I noticed it several times now.

From now, I will make mushroom pasta only my first meal in the morning with spaghetti the evening before and for lunch thereafter.