I am confused...Is it recommended to take K2 for oxalate problem even though it causes dumping?
Many of the things recommended for oxalate problems cause dumping. This is exactly what we are trying to achieve - ie reducing body stores. However if this is too vigorous it can be very unpleasant. Hence the start low and go slow recommendation.
You say: "Our probiotics spewing out Vitamin K2 in our guts speed up the oxalate dumping process." Is this all probiotics? Or which ones?
As far as I'm aware only O. formigenes has been shown to directly speed up oxalate dumping (others just haven't been looked at). However several other probiotics (including VSL 3 or Vivomixx) have been tested for oxalate digesting capacity and the assumption is that like O. formigenes, they too have the capacity to stimulate dumping.
I'll upload a list of probiotics that have been tested for oxalate digesting capacity.
I intended to reply to your earlier post about VSL 3 but have been diverted by other things so will do it now. This has strong oxalate digesting capacity and one possible reason you could be having trouble with it is that it is stimulating oxalate dumping. You could try cutting back to maybe 1/4 sachet and building up.
Of course there could be other reasons for the problem. If you happen to be histamine sensitive then the L delbrueckii bulgaricus in it could be a problem as mentioned in your link. But I imagine you already know whether or not you are histamine sensitive.
The E.coli suggestion is just that - someone's theory - it may or may not be relevant. This is linked as I recall to the notion that some people have too many Lactobacilli which crowd out the E.coli, therefore they should not take probiotics containing Lactobacilli and instead try Mutaflor.
Certainly some people do seem to be sensitive to Lactobacilli, maybe D-lactate acidosis is a problem for them, maybe there are other reasons. Unfortunately it is a bit of a trial and error process.
If you think oxalates are a problem for you then VSL 3 could be very important. I have taken it for years and must say it didn't seem to do anything much one way or the other. I continued to take it because I was taking antibiotics for a long time and thought at the very least by flooding the gut with probiotics I would prevent something really nasty from taking up residence. That did indeed seem to be the case.
Towards the end of last year I had a uBiome analysis of the gut microbiota and was very disappointed to see that after years of swallowing VSL3 daily I had zero Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria. I began experimenting with other probiotics and various prebiotics and did indeed see very substantial changes in composition of the gut flora as a result, though not in Lactobacilli or Bifidobacteria.
Early this year I decided to stop taking VSL3 since it didn't seem to be influencing my gut microbiota and I was no longer taking antibiotics. With the benefit of hindsight I can say that this was one of two really serious mistakes I made at that time. My condition has been deteriorating and it has taken me months to try to understand what is going on.
Several months ago I did recognise that oxalate accumulation could again be an issue, something I thought I had put behind me. Stopping the VSL3 could have been part of that so I added it back as well as increasing B6 and various other things.
I also decided to do another OAT test to see if there really had been a deterioration in oxalate markers. I have just had the results and yes the markers are pretty terrible.
Of course I can't directly prove that the VSL3 was responsible but stopping it was the only major change that I could identify as likely to be connected to oxalates.
I have recently started taking the Oxalobact though still only in small amounts because I'm a bit sensitive to the FOS in it. However I don't intend to stop the VSL3, even when I build up to a higher dose of Oxalobact. Maybe a long time into the future I'll reconsider.
For now VSL3 seems to be very important for me in keeping oxalates under control.
