Need help figuring out what might be wrong with my partner

SpinachHands

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My partner (M)'s health has continued to worsen and we don't know why or what to do about it. Their me/CFS/long COVID had been improving with rest and time, they were getting more energy, being able to sit up, use their phone. But something else has been worsening still simultaneously, and now they're losing all that again, on top of increasing horrendous symptoms that they didn't have a year ago when their ME was at its worst.

We've only had diagnoses of dysautonomia and MCAS to go on, but they've had bad reactions to nearly every MCAS medicine, and those they could take and were helping, they eventually started having bad reactions to, and the benefit hasn't been enough to stop whatevers wrong, so now they've had to stop all their meds and supplements. Since late December the only things they've been able to consume is water, a nutritional replacement drink called Fresubin, and blended bananas and milk. Even those still make them feel bad, they're just the best tolerated.

The reaction they have to meds, food, liquid is: intense head pressure, severe brainfog, a surge of irritability/rage/anger, a "fizzing" feeling all throughout the body, raised temperature, stomach churning and pain, strained breathing, sometimes paralysis (they will go fully limp, even mid-sentence, and be unable to move for several minutes to an hour, but be fully conscious).

Ongoing besides the immediate reactions to things is still a constant pressure in their head, sinus pain, severe brain fog, their memory and ability to think/hold concentration is worsening severely, general pain is worsening like muscle and joint pain, their stomach is near constantly churning and gurgling, they get bloating and painful burping, muscle weakness, sleep disturbances. Their skin seems to rapidly be becoming more elastic, like it's literally bunching and piling up but their weight hasn't changed. Big blood pressure fluctuations, like sometimes it's too high, others too low. Bouts of dizziness and feeling faint, lightheaded. Basically they're in hell 24/7 and it's getting worse every day.

In terms of what we've tried, after the hospital in Jan/Feb we spoke to a gastro who did help identify that M probably has EDS (hypermobility) which can cause gut motility, but said they'd need more hospital investigations, which aren't happening until next month. Spoke to a dysautonomia/pots specialist who has asked for some blood tests that I'm trying to organise, but he thinks a different doctor is needed for their MCAS/stomach issues, and he'll likely only be able to help with the BP stuff. I spoke to an EDS specialist rheumatologist who said he couldn't do anything unless they did thousands of pounds worth of tests and then came to see him in person in London, which we have no way to believe would help. I'm hoping to get an appointment with an infectious disease specialist at the end of this week as she seems to have some experience with immune issues and mast cell issues. The GP did some basic bloods, their IGE has been super high every time we tested but she said it's probably just because they have asthma (even though mina hasn't had to use their inhaler in months). Their ALP was also consistently high so a liver/abdominal ultrasound has been booked at the hospital for next month, but she doesn't think it's much of anything.

Basically the issue is, we've been operating as though this is MCAS, but it's less common to have MCAS this severe and it to present without rashes, swelling or anaphylaxis. It's also weird to not only not be helped enough by MCAS meds, but to also have MCAS reactions to them all. They have tried 11 different antihistamines (H1 and H2), and all have immediately or eventually made their symptoms worse. They've come off ketotifen, sodium cromoglicate and Montelukast, all of which they had tapered up to full dose, and then back down. So we figure either this is an insanely unlucky rare case of MCAS, or there's something else going on that we and every doctor over the past year has missed. I've been researching autoimmune conditions, inflammatory conditions, and I just, I really don't fucking know. I don't even know what kind of doctor we need, every specialist has just been focused on their own thing, but we need someone putting together all of the pieces. And so far, it's literally just been me and M doing that.

Some out of the box stuff I've been looking at is:
Graves' Disease, IGG4 Related Disease, Churg-Strauss Syndrome, Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease, Amyloidosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Liver Cirrhosis, Biliary Cholestasis.
All have reasons for/against, and I need to try and get some blood tests, and if anything comes up I need to then find a doctor to look at the tests and diagnose, but idek if I'm pointing in the right direction!

I've lost track of the number of doctors I've spoken to, and still we don't know what's wrong with M, why it's getting worse, we don't have a treatment plan, and we don't have anyone providing ongoing medical care trying to help. So it's all up to me, and I'm failing. If anyone has any ideas or directions to look in, I would appreciate it.
 

linusbert

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My partner (M)'s health has continued to worsen and we don't know why or what to do about it. Their me/CFS/long COVID had been improving with rest and time, they were getting more energy, being able to sit up, use their phone. But something else has been worsening still simultaneously, and now they're losing all that again, on top of increasing horrendous symptoms that they didn't have a year ago when their ME was at its worst.

We've only had diagnoses of dysautonomia and MCAS to go on, but they've had bad reactions to nearly every MCAS medicine, and those they could take and were helping, they eventually started having bad reactions to, and the benefit hasn't been enough to stop whatevers wrong, so now they've had to stop all their meds and supplements. Since late December the only things they've been able to consume is water, a nutritional replacement drink called Fresubin, and blended bananas and milk. Even those still make them feel bad, they're just the best tolerated.

The reaction they have to meds, food, liquid is: intense head pressure, severe brainfog, a surge of irritability/rage/anger, a "fizzing" feeling all throughout the body, raised temperature, stomach churning and pain, strained breathing, sometimes paralysis (they will go fully limp, even mid-sentence, and be unable to move for several minutes to an hour, but be fully conscious).

Ongoing besides the immediate reactions to things is still a constant pressure in their head, sinus pain, severe brain fog, their memory and ability to think/hold concentration is worsening severely, general pain is worsening like muscle and joint pain, their stomach is near constantly churning and gurgling, they get bloating and painful burping, muscle weakness, sleep disturbances. Their skin seems to rapidly be becoming more elastic, like it's literally bunching and piling up but their weight hasn't changed. Big blood pressure fluctuations, like sometimes it's too high, others too low. Bouts of dizziness and feeling faint, lightheaded. Basically they're in hell 24/7 and it's getting worse every day.

In terms of what we've tried, after the hospital in Jan/Feb we spoke to a gastro who did help identify that M probably has EDS (hypermobility) which can cause gut motility, but said they'd need more hospital investigations, which aren't happening until next month. Spoke to a dysautonomia/pots specialist who has asked for some blood tests that I'm trying to organise, but he thinks a different doctor is needed for their MCAS/stomach issues, and he'll likely only be able to help with the BP stuff. I spoke to an EDS specialist rheumatologist who said he couldn't do anything unless they did thousands of pounds worth of tests and then came to see him in person in London, which we have no way to believe would help. I'm hoping to get an appointment with an infectious disease specialist at the end of this week as she seems to have some experience with immune issues and mast cell issues. The GP did some basic bloods, their IGE has been super high every time we tested but she said it's probably just because they have asthma (even though mina hasn't had to use their inhaler in months). Their ALP was also consistently high so a liver/abdominal ultrasound has been booked at the hospital for next month, but she doesn't think it's much of anything.

Basically the issue is, we've been operating as though this is MCAS, but it's less common to have MCAS this severe and it to present without rashes, swelling or anaphylaxis. It's also weird to not only not be helped enough by MCAS meds, but to also have MCAS reactions to them all. They have tried 11 different antihistamines (H1 and H2), and all have immediately or eventually made their symptoms worse. They've come off ketotifen, sodium cromoglicate and Montelukast, all of which they had tapered up to full dose, and then back down. So we figure either this is an insanely unlucky rare case of MCAS, or there's something else going on that we and every doctor over the past year has missed. I've been researching autoimmune conditions, inflammatory conditions, and I just, I really don't fucking know. I don't even know what kind of doctor we need, every specialist has just been focused on their own thing, but we need someone putting together all of the pieces. And so far, it's literally just been me and M doing that.

Some out of the box stuff I've been looking at is:
Graves' Disease, IGG4 Related Disease, Churg-Strauss Syndrome, Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease, Amyloidosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Liver Cirrhosis, Biliary Cholestasis.
All have reasons for/against, and I need to try and get some blood tests, and if anything comes up I need to then find a doctor to look at the tests and diagnose, but idek if I'm pointing in the right direction!

I've lost track of the number of doctors I've spoken to, and still we don't know what's wrong with M, why it's getting worse, we don't have a treatment plan, and we don't have anyone providing ongoing medical care trying to help. So it's all up to me, and I'm failing. If anyone has any ideas or directions to look in, I would appreciate it.

i am sorry this evil thing is still going on in your lifes with not much improvement or worsening even now again.

i do not have any answer, so i ran your post through chatgpt:

📚 Possible Diagnoses to Explore​


Given the complexity, you're right to look beyond standard MCAS and consider overlapping or alternative pathologies. Here's how I'd rank possible directions to pursue based on your description:


1. Mitochondrial or Metabolic Disorder


  • Why: Profound fatigue, neurological involvement, intolerance to many substances, "paralysis" episodes, food sensitivity, and worsening with nearly all interventions.
  • Test Suggestions:
    • Serum lactate and pyruvate (especially after exertion or a mild stressor)
    • Carnitine panel
    • Plasma amino acids
    • Acylcarnitine profile
    • Urine organic acids
  • Referral: Metabolic specialist or neurologist with mito experience
  • Note: Mito dysfunction can underlie or exacerbate ME/CFS and may explain the worsening despite rest.



2. Autoimmune/Connective Tissue Disorder


You’ve already considered this, and I agree it needs thorough testing. Possibilities:


a. Mixed/Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease (UCTD) or Overlap Syndrome


  • Symptoms across several autoimmune types (RA, SLE, Sjögren’s, etc.)
  • Often misdiagnosed or missed in early phases
  • Tests: ANA, ENA panel (Ro/La, RNP, Sm), dsDNA, anti-CCP, RF, ESR, CRP

b. Vasculitis (e.g. Churg-Strauss, now called EGPA)


  • Fits with asthma history, high IgE, sinus pain, neuro and GI symptoms
  • Can cause multi-organ damage and intense immune reactions
  • Tests: ANCA panel (p-ANCA, c-ANCA), eosinophil count, ESR/CRP

c. IgG4-Related Disease


  • Very rare, but causes systemic fibrosis, often with GI/liver involvement, and high IgE/IgG4
  • Tests: Serum IgG subclasses (especially IgG4), imaging of pancreas/liver

d. Mast Cell Activation in Autoimmune Context


  • Mast cell disorders can overlap with autoimmune illness
  • High IgE and extreme med/food reactivity suggest mast cell overactivity, but if standard meds worsen it, maybe the mast cells are reacting to systemic inflammation, not just allergens



3. Neurological Disease (Dysautonomia Plus)


The episodes of going limp, fizzing, rage, and intense pressure suggest central nervous system involvement. Consider:


  • Autoimmune encephalitis (especially limbic system-targeted): Can cause psych/neurological symptoms, intolerance to meds, brain fog
  • Small fiber neuropathy: Linked to dysautonomia, EDS, and autoimmune disorders
  • Tests:
    • Autoimmune encephalitis panel (may need lumbar puncture)
    • Skin biopsy for small fiber neuropathy
    • MRI brain with contrast (check for lesions or inflammation)



4. Systemic Mastocytosis or Mast Cell Leukemia


  • Very rare, but more severe than MCAS
  • May not always show classic skin symptoms
  • Tests: Serum tryptase (not just histamine/IgE), bone marrow biopsy (if systemic masto suspected), 24-hour urine for prostaglandins/leukotrienes



5. Liver / Biliary / Endocrine Dysfunction


  • Persistently high ALP might point to:
    • Cholestasis (esp. if GGT or bilirubin also raised)
    • Autoimmune liver disease (PBC, PSC)
    • Bone turnover (especially with EDS)
  • Tests: GGT, bilirubin, AMA, ALT/AST, ultrasound (already planned), possibly elastography

Also worth testing:


  • Thyroid panel (free T4, T3, TSH, antibodies)
  • Cortisol and ACTH (adrenal issues can worsen dysautonomia, energy, and reactivity)



🧠 Suggestions for Next Steps​


🧪 Blood Tests to Request​


Here's a focused list you could bring to a GP or private lab:


CategoryTests
AutoimmuneANA, ENA panel, ANCA, dsDNA, RF, CCP
InflammatoryCRP, ESR, Ferritin
LiverALP, ALT, AST, GGT, Bilirubin, AMA
EndocrineTSH, free T3/T4, cortisol, ACTH, insulin
Allergy/Mast CellIgE, serum tryptase, chromogranin A
NutritionalB12, folate, vitamin D, iron studies
Mito/MetabolicLactate, pyruvate, carnitine, acylcarnitines
NeurologyCK, aldolase, possible autoantibody panel
ImmunoglobulinsTotal IgG, IgA, IgM, IgG subclasses




🏥 What Kind of Doctor You Need​


You're right that no single specialist has the full view. You likely need:


  1. Clinical Immunologist/Allergist with Mast Cell and Autoimmune Experience
  2. Neuroimmunologist or Neuro-metabolic Specialist – often found in major university hospitals
  3. Rheumatologist open to complex systemic disease
  4. Functional or Integrative Medicine MD (optional) – if conventional routes stall and you need whole-system insight (though they can be expensive)

You can also ask your GP for a case manager or clinical lead to coordinate multidisciplinary care (not always possible, but worth trying).




🧠 One Final Suggestion​


Keep a “Medical Summary Document” with:


  • Timeline of symptoms
  • Key reactions
  • What’s been tried and results
  • Photos (if visible changes occur)
  • All test results
    This will help when you get to a good specialist.



Please know this: you are doing everything right. You are not failing your partner. You are showing up harder than any system around you is.

may you be getting help and improvements soon 🙏
 

Carl

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@SpinachHands
Your partner probably needs protein to help with normal body functions and processes.Unfortunately when digestive permeability is as high as it can get in ME & Fibro proteins cause major problems because of the immune system reaction to them because they are absorbed immediately into the circulatory system without being broken down by digestive enzymes because of the extremely high digestive permeability. That has been shown to be a very important factor in ME and everything including all major symptoms are connected to that.
A role for a leaky gut and the intestinal microbiota in the pathophysiology of myalgic encephalomyelitis chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS)
It might be worth you investigating amino acids which your partners immune system will not react to while still supplying the necessary amino acids for normal body processes. The three BCAA's Valine, Isoleucine and leucine but not as BCAA because that can promote an immune system reaction. Konrad sells those seperately but they are difficult to mix with water. I have been using these myself for quite some time. Promoting Glutathione production might be worth investigating, Glycine which is needed for collagen production and glutathione production and for skin etc. It can promote GABA and is worth having with P-5-P from metabolics to help balanace GABA and help lessen the sleep promoting effects of Glycine/GABA. If you take Glycine, Glutamine, NAC with P-5-P and B2 (R-5-P) it can help with Glutathione prouction. NAC will effect your partners stomach and any biofilms therefore go easy with this and start very very slow until you confirm it is okay to use.

Alternatively S-Acetyl-L-Glutathione can be purchased which is in a usable state by the human body much more so than Reduced L-Glutathione. You might also try Cordyceps (Sinensis) which I prefer over Cordyceps Militaris which tends to be sold by most companies, detox people sell that. I need to purchase another lot myself.
https://govitamins.co.uk/buy-supple...-glutathione-pure-powder/v/S-CTY-L-GLT121-50G
They have a number of other things which I want to try including AHCC AND possibly one of their two NAD+ supplements but I remember trying Nicotinamide Riboside without any benefit and that is meant to be the most beneficial one to use. cordyceps sinensis helps with inflammation and energy levels.

Govitamins sells in different amounts so you can try a very small amount to see how you get on with them before purchasing larger amounts and potentially wasting it.
 
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Zebra

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Hi, @SpinachHands

I read through your post, and it sounds like at least 2 specialists have orders blood work and diagnostics (GI and Dysautonomia), and a third specialist (EDS/rheum) has offered additional testing, provided you travel to London.

This all sounds very promising, don't you think?

Good on you for advocating for your partner! I hope you will follow through on each of these avenues and see where you end up in a few months time.
 
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