List of various recent interviews with Judy Mikovits

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I'm not sure that's the best article to cite @Hip It just stirs the pot.

The original video of Judy Mikovits that the article refers to was taken down by YouTube, perhaps because it may have flouted fake news rules. So we cannot see the original, but can only refer to that article which quotes the video.

But this is not the only crazy thing she said on the video. Judy Mikovits also claims that SARS-CoV-2 comes from a flu vaccine that was being used a few years ago:
In the same video, Mikovits rejected the notion of wearing a mask, since, she claimed, the coronavirus is actually secretly caused by a bad strain of flu shot that was circulating between 2013 and 2015. Masks will help “activate” the virus and reinfect a mask-wearer over and over, she claimed.

We don't need people publishing bizarre fake news like that during the pandemic.



As for Mikovits, I think she did some good work and then there was a massive campaign to discredit her and she's a bit bitter these days. But I don't know for sure. Do you?

She started off fine, but I think may have suffered from declining mental health. Unfortunately that can hit any of us. Not many people know that Judy Mikovits was a life-long sufferer of an ME/CFS-like illness, and as we all know, mental health issues are very frequent in ME/CFS patients.

Having experienced myself substantial mental health issues after the viral brain infection I was hit with, which included some mild psychosis, I am all too aware of how psychosis and schizophrenia spectrum mental health can distort one's view on the world. If you are suffering from these conditions, then you need the right medication.

I don't think anyone tried to discredit her; I think that's just the conspiracy theory she maintains in her books. Her XMRV work could not be replicated (even by herself), and that should have been the end of it. She could have easily just moved on to a new area of ME/CFS research. But she kept insisting that her work was right, even though dozens of independent labs around the world could not replicate it. And then she joined the anti-vax movement.
 
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Here is a fact checking article on Mikovits's video:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

I had not realized how nuts some of the things in her video were. The sea cures COVID19? Masks make you more likely to get it? The US Army and the Chinese lab worked together on the virus? etc. I think it is harder and harder to think that she was totally sane when she did the XMRV research; she certainly isn't now.
 

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I had not realized how nuts some of the things in her video were. The sea cures COVID19?

She didn't say that.

The US Army and the Chinese lab worked together on the virus?

Stranger things have happened. :cautious:

The Wuhan lab at the center of the US-China coronavirus blame game
In March, Zhao Lijian, a spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, promoted a conspiracy theory on Twitter that the virus had originated in the US and was brought to China by the US military.



I think it is harder and harder to think that she was totally sane when she did the XMRV research; she certainly isn't now.

If we treat ME/CFS researchers this way, they would have to be a bit loopy to continue trying to help us. :D
 

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She didn't say that.
Actually, she did, according to this article and what little of her YouTube I've been able to watch.


Quoting the atticle linked below:

"That claim, that flu vaccines increase the odds of getting the coronavirus, is flatly and
profoundly false
, as are the claims Mikovits and Willis make about the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump
which has failed to help COVID-19 patients in hospital studies.
Those claims are followed, soon after, by Mikovits asserting that “healing microbes”

can be found on the seas and sands of the beach. (This is why, it is implied,
the beaches have been closed on the coasts of the United States.)


“You’ve got sequences in the soil, in the sand, you’ve got healing
microbes in the ocean, in the saltwater,” Mikovits proclaims in voiceover, over
a soaring aerial shot of a beach. “That’s insanity.”

'Plandemic' Is Dangerous, Viral Nonsense
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...l-nonsense-judi-mikovits-plague-of-corruption


I think it is harder and harder to think that she was totally sane when she did the XMRV research; she certainly isn't now.
I tend to agree. I know that we're all desperate for some serious research help and even a possible cure, but I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on Judy Mikovits, whose primary field of interest and expertise is promoting Judy Mikovits, or at least that's how it seems to me, and whose research results are (by her own admission, finally) unreproduceable, and whose views, allegations and assertions are, to put it kindly, odd and erratic.
 

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I have to say, I have mixed feelings about Judy Mikovitz. -- As a backdrop: -- Back when I lived in Madison, WI, I frequently visited an herb/supplement story called Quintessence. The owner of the store mentioned one day that he hears all kinds of "theories" that people have come to believe in. He said some were so convoluted and "out there", that nobody in their right mind would consider them to be reasonable or credible. However, he said that when you really dig down into some of these "wild" theories, he found there's almost always an "element" of truth to it.

I've recently watched some of the Judy Mikovitz videos, and as much as I've wanted to giver her the benefit of the doubt for many years, I'm no longer able to give her as much leaway. However, I'm not ready to dismiss everything she says as total nonsense, as I think she's probably touching on some "elements" of truth as well. Some of the things I found "notable" in these intereviews:

She seems "traumatized" from the experiences she's gone through, and seems to exhibit symptoms of PTSD. She often rambles, and even though she does it credibly enough, it's hard for her to say things in a coherent manner, or articulate an understandable narrative. So I was very often left wondering what she's referrring to. She apparently experienced trauma early on in life in addition to her arrest and jail experiences.

On her potentially politically related comments, she was quite critical of Anthony Fauci, Robert Gallo, and others in leadership at the FDA, CDC, and NIH. Though I doubt all her "details" were accurate, I tend to believe there's at least "elements" in truth in her appraisals. -- When asked about Trump, I though she rather deftly avoided getting into that, which I assume she'll continue to do if she does more interviews. For the most part however, the interviews didn't strike me as overtly political, unless you consider her attitudes toward the major U.S health agencies.

For me, one of the most striking things she said was that the coronavirus and XMRV viruses shared the "almost exact" same "signature" (or something like that). I'm not even sure what that means. Connected to that, she also compared the difficulties people with COVID-19 have with breathing, with the "air hunger" people with XMRV infections (and/or people with ME/CFS) experience. So those were the two things I found intriguing, and wondered if there could possibly be something to that.

On the question of whether these interviews would (or should) be of interest to people with ME/CFS, I would say they likely would be for some of us. I myself found her perspectives on the potential connections between ME/CFS, XMRV, COVID-19, and vaccines to be at least somewhat credible. I don't know the science well enough to say whether it's all accurate, but I am in agreement with her on how the ME/CFS community have been betrayed by the powers that be in Washington D.C. for the better part of the last 3-4 decades.

OK folks, that's my best take on things. I suspect my own narrative may not necessarily be as coherent as I'd like to think it is. ;) Or that my identification of certain "elements" that could have validity are even remote possibilities. -- One final point: I watched a news segment recently about how a certain ethnic group (Kozacs) in Russia were trying to convince their countrymen about the best way to approach it. When interviewing some other Russians about some of their "out there" views, one elderly woman sweetly replied with a smile on her face, "Honestly, I think everyone goes crazy in their own way".

Though I'm highly skeptical of many things Judy Mikovitz is saying (perhaps especially her notions about how wearing masks will cause dormant viruses in her body to "activate"), I'm inclined to give a LOT of leaway, and allow her to "go crazy in her own way" (I hope my friends will give do this for me as well! :D). Though she has lost a lot of credibility with me, I have to say I still appreciate that she sincerely and passionately went to bat for the ME/CFS community. And though her science can't be depended on, there are likely "elements of truth" in some of the things she believes. -- Ironically, I think the same can be said for modern conventional medicine as well.
 
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Would you please show me where she claims that "The sea cures COVID19?"

Actually, she did, according to this article and what little of her YouTube I've been able to watch.

Quoting the atticle linked below:
"That claim, that flu vaccines increase the odds of getting the coronavirus, is flatly and
profoundly false
, as are the claims Mikovits and Willis make about the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump
which has failed to help COVID-19 patients in hospital studies.
Those claims are followed, soon after, by Mikovits asserting that “healing microbes”
can be found on the seas and sands of the beach. (This is why, it is implied,
the beaches have been closed on the coasts of the United States.)


“You’ve got sequences in the soil, in the sand, you’ve got healing
microbes in the ocean, in the saltwater,” Mikovits proclaims in voiceover, over
a soaring aerial shot of a beach. “That’s insanity.”
'Plandemic' Is Dangerous, Viral Nonsense
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...l-nonsense-judi-mikovits-plague-of-corruption


She says it in the voice over of one of the two available 'trailers' for her allegedly upcoming movie, 'Plandemic' .... Sorry. I dont have a link to the YouTube ....

She's also quoted directly in the article link I posted for you above, and have now re-posted for you here :D.
 

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She's also quoted directly in the article link I posted for you above, and have now re-posted for you here :D.

Right, she claims there are healing microbes in the sea. She didn't say that the sea will cure Covid-19.

I'm being advised to get out and get some fresh air, but I wouldn't want to insult those advisers by mischaracterizing their recommendation as "a cool breeze will cure Covid-19". :D
 

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"That claim, that flu vaccines increase the odds of getting the coronavirus, is flatly and profoundly false,

Hi @YippeeKi YOW !! -- I truly have no idea whether or not this is true, but I do remember early on (back in February or March) an article from a mainstream news organization reporting that having the flu vaccine was connected to a 50% greater chance of making a COVID-19 infection worse.

I saw there were other articles on it as well. I felt at the time it fell in line with what has happened with previous coronavirus vaccines. That if these vaccinated people did get the infection, it was much worse than for those who had not had the vaccination. I'm pretty certain threre's actually a name for that fairly well known phenomenon.
 

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She seems "traumatized" from the experiences she's gone through, and seems to exhibit symptoms of PTSD. She often rambles, and even though she does it credibly enough, it's hard for her to say things in a coherent manner, or articulate an understandable narrative. So I was very often left wondering what she's referrring to. She apparently experienced trauma early on in life in addition to her arrest and jail experiences.

A journalist was finally able to track her down -- and/or she finally answered her phone -- and said something that perhaps is an acknowledgement of what you're describing:

"She admitted that all the controversy has been hard for her to sort out. “I’ve been confused for a decade,” she told me. She said she would try to be more clear in the future when she talks about the criminal charge: “I’ll try to learn to say it differently,” she said."

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion...emic-misinformation-judy-mikovits/3112206001/

I'm not as forgiving (at least right now) as you are @Wayne , because of all the things she said 10 years ago that patently weren't true ("It's like HIV/AIDS in Africa") etc., etc.. But at least she's finally admitting her 'confusion', which is a start.

I do feel _some_ sympathy for her, because she's clearly been in self-destruct mode for at least 7-8 years, and seems to be completely unaware that the only person making her unemployable, is herself.

For me, one of the most striking things she said was that the coronavirus and XMRV viruses shared the "almost exact" same "signature" (or something like that). I'm not even sure what that means. Connected to that, she also compared the difficulties people with COVID-19 have with breathing, with the "air hunger" people with XMRV infections (and/or people with ME/CFS) experience. So those were the two things I found intriguing, and wondered if there could possibly be something to that.

The thing is, XMRV was shown to be a lab contaminant -- even Mikovits admitted so (after 2 years of denial) when she was one of many co-authors of the 2012 paper that came to that conclusion. She seems to have forgotten that, or decided to change that into another story about being a victim of Fauci or whoever.

She then said that XMRV was associated with autism, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Lou Gehrigs -- you name it -- without ANY published (or even unpublished) research to back up her claims. That to me, is shameful, as it leads those patient communities to believe -- just as we were led to believe -- that a retrovirus is the cause of their illness.

It's not. At least not until she shows concrete proof to back up her claims.
 

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I know that we're all desperate for some serious research help and even a possible cure, but I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on Judy Mikovits, whose primary field of interest and expertise is promoting Judy Mikovits, or at least that's how it seems to me, and whose research results are (by her own admission, finally) unreproduceable, and whose views, allegations and assertions are, to put it kindly, odd and erratic.

The thing that I'll never understand, is why she was hired in the first place. She hadn't worked in a lab in years, but was bartending(!) at a yacht club at the time she was hired by the Whittmore Peterson Institute. She admitted early on that she knew nothing about ME/CFS (her background at the time was cancer research), but after hearing a presentation by Dan Peterson, said she thought it sounded to her like a retrovirus.

At the very least she should've had a larger team working with her. Perhaps that could've saved everyone a lot of time and misery.
 

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I'm not as forgiving (at least right now) as you are @Wayne

@dannybex -- You make many good points Dan. I found it quite intriguing Judy M. has admitted to being confused for the past 10 years. -- Regarding forgiving, these days I keep handy what that sweet older Russian woman said about how everybody "goes crazy in their own way".

When I remember that, I'm able to forgive easier. I've also had a fair amount of practice lately, with some of my siblings pushing any number of bizarre conspiracy theories that are proliferating these days. Oh well, just let them go cra........... :angel:
 

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Someone took the time to actually debunk that video (which must have been a chore). It was too painful for me to get through - I stopped watching when she said she personally worked at USAMRIID in 1999 to make Ebola infectious to humans and implies it was not infectious before her work. ??? If we take her at her word - that's a horrific war crime she committed. And her claim is complicated by the fact that Ebola was infectious to humans since at least the 70's I think. So she just seems confused to me. Unfortunately I've had many people send me that video as proof of…something, even though she cites absolutely no science, not even something she's found on her own. She's slightly worse than the Bakersfield Urgent Care guys (who claimed they'd done 'the research', but never specified what research).
 

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For me, one of the most striking things she said was that the coronavirus and XMRV viruses shared the "almost exact" same "signature" (or something like that).

I just ran across the following from this Mercola ARTICLE. I guess the question I have is that if SARS-CoV-2 activates the XMRV virus, then why do COVID-19 present so differently than ME/CFS, which I think Judy Mikovitz still believes is caused by XMRV.

"One of the most shocking revelations Mikovits reveals is that she doesn’t believe SARS-CoV-2 is the cause of COVID-19 but merely serves to activate or wake up a dormant XMRV infection. To support her assertion, she states that COVID-19 patients have the same cytokine signature as the gammaretrovirus XMRV, which she published many years ago.
XMRV stands for “xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus.” Xenotrophic refers to viruses that only replicate in cells other than those of the host species. So, XMRVs are viruses that infect human cells yet are not human viruses.2
The XMRV retrovirus is actually the virus that has the same cytokine storm signature as COVID-19, not coronaviruses, which are far more benign. (I delve into what retroviruses are in another section further below.)
Additionally, there may be other infections that also are contributing to the infection, such as Borelia and Babesia or parasites, which may be why some of the antiparasite drugs like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are working."
 

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For me, one of the most striking things she said was that the coronavirus and XMRV viruses shared the "almost exact" same "signature" (or something like that). I'm not even sure what that means. Connected to that, she also compared the difficulties people with COVID-19 have with breathing, with the "air hunger" people with XMRV infections (and/or people with ME/CFS) experience. So those were the two things I found intriguing, and wondered if there could possibly be something to that.

I just wanted to point out that, contrary to the "air hunger" experienced by some ME/CFS patients, Covid-19 has the peculiar quality of causing "silent hypoxia". Patients often have oxygen saturations so low their doctors are contemplating putting them on ventilators while they are calm, awake and not gasping for breath.
 

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I just ran across the following from this Mercola ARTICLE. I guess the question I have is that if SARS-CoV-2 activates the XMRV virus, then why do COVID-19 present so differently than ME/CFS, which I think Judy Mikovitz still believes is caused by XMRV.

Well, you know what I'm gonna say, but I'll say it anyway... ;)

I think she's the only 'scientist' who still believes anything is caused by XMRV, but I guess that's how she manages to keep selling books.

Also, I thought it was both funny, and sad, that at the top of Mercola's article, it says 'FACT CHECKED'.

Uh, obviously not.
 
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