Joshua Leisk Protocol

[godlovesatrier]

Hope it works out for you. Something's got to give right?!

Did you hear back from Chia?

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Hope it works out for you. Something's got to give right?!

Did you hear back from Chia?

Not yet

 

[godlovesatrier]

Soon hopefully. Fingers crossed

 

[BrightCandle]

Crashed on Friday. Still far more capable than I was before I started the protocol but was really feeling the exercise regime and cut it short and have ended up knocked out for at least a couple of days. Haven't done much differently unfortunately so not sure what brought this on.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Crashed on Friday. Still far more capable than I was before I started the protocol but was really feeling the exercise regime and cut it short and have ended up knocked out for at least a couple of days. Haven't done much differently unfortunately so not sure what brought this on.

Fuck! Hope it gets better quickly

 

[JES]

Added inosine pranobrex yesterday... 1/4 pill yesterday, 1/4 today. Woke up with heavy sore throat, extremely fatigued and brain fogges. Feeling terrible... No energy... I'm know afraid it could make me permanently worse like some users here. Should I stop it? I'm a bit desperate cause I'm getting weaker every hour and barely can't keep my eyes open

Only have experience from taking the supplemental inosine, which caused something that felt like a similar immune activation as beta glucans, reishi and a load of other things which are supposed to assist immune function. This immune activation makes fatigue much worse, increases the brain fog and neuropathic pain, it's like a volume switch where every existing symptom gets a bit worse.

I didn't end up permanently any worse, but even with this being several years ago I still remember I felt crap for someone with mild/moderate ME/CFS. I sometimes wonder if I should have stuck with treatments that made me worse for longer. It's such a difficult game to play because on one hand you risk wasting several month of life feeling even worse, but on the other hand there is a small potential upside with everything. Must be even harder to make these choices when you are severe.

 

[Judee]

Added inosine pranobrex yesterday.

Like @JES, I only used the supplement but it made me feel worse.

I found out I have the genes for higher IL-6 and also that inosine can affect that as well as causing increased uric acid.

At least that's what some members were talking about for a while in this thread:

https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...cmafplus-com-in-hong-kong.79370/#post-2275989

 

[godlovesatrier]

I've been told online that inosine and pranobrex are completely different? At least that's what I got told.

Inosine definitely immune modulates. As you both know. There's a lady who's used it in the states to more or less get to 90%, that and she necks Lauricidin regularly. Those two together. I also think there's more to the dosing regime than meetings the eye with glucans, I am experiencing a similair immune modulation effect with ACV as well, but ACV is meant to increase mitochondrial krebs cycle energy by increasing succinate as I understand, but then it also has anti viral properties (it got me wondering, is that the perfect ME combo). As if the body is over stimulated, even with anti virals, but no energy fix, well that might be a recipe for disaster.

Anyway inosine is an interesting one but the recommended dosing is something like 5 days on at full dose, 2 days off, 5 days at low dose, 5 days off, then 5 days at mid dose, and cycle. It seems glucans also loose their efficacy after a few weeks, but it's not clear what dosing regime to follow with them.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

I've been told online that inosine and pranobrex are completely different? At least that's what I got told

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inosine_pranobex

 

[godlovesatrier]

haha right so they weren't 100% correct then, thanks for the link!

I got immune modulator benefit with inosine, but the effect would wear off after an hour and wasn't sustained long term hence the dosing cycle mentioned.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

haha right so they weren't 100% correct then, thanks for the link!

I got immune modulator benefit with inosine, but the effect would wear off after an hour and wasn't sustained long term hence the dosing cycle mentioned.

I really don't understand the cycle...

 

[godlovesatrier]

I forget which doctor recommends that dosing cycle I mentioned but he basically says if you don't take different doses and take a week off every 3 or 4 weeks it completely looses it's effectiveness because the body gets used to it and it stops working. Not surprising when so many ME patients find the same thing, I wouldn't be surprised if this is also true in healthy people as well but we're hte only ones that see it because we experiment so much.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

I forget which doctor recommends that dosing cycle I mentioned but he basically says if you don't take different doses and take a week off every 3 or 4 weeks it completely looses it's effectiveness because the body gets used to it and it stops working. Not surprising when so many ME patients find the same thing, I wouldn't be surprised if this is also true in healthy people as well but we're hte only ones that see it because we experiment so much.

Yes to go off and on ok, but the increase and decrease?!???? Wtf

 

[elvira]

Hi @Martin aka paused||M.E. ! Did you continue with this protocol? Best regards

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Hi @Martin aka paused||M.E. ! Did you continue with this protocol? Best regards

I would like to but I don't have a Apheresis nearby

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

I was just thinking of you @Martin aka paused||M.E. and @Push Fwd , and hoping you were having a peaceful and restorative Holiday Season.

As always, affection and respect, and hopes for a miraculous turn-around in 2022 !!!!

.... or whatever ....
Kwanza, Hanukkah, Yule,
Evergreen Worship ... all
are welcome ....​

 

[GlassCannonLife]

I would like to but I don't have a Apheresis nearby

Isn't she asking about the Josh Leisk protocol? Why would apheresis be a factor for that

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

I was just thinking of you @Martin aka paused||M.E. and @Push Fwd , and hoping you were having a peaceful and restorative Holiday Season.

As always, affection and respect, and hopes for a miraculous turn-around in 2022 !!!!

View attachment 46161 .... or whatever ....
Kwanza, Hanukkah, Yule,
Evergreen Worship ... all
are welcome ....​

Thank you. We have a Christmas full of love and presents.

 

[Martin aka paused||M.E.]

Isn't she asking about the Josh Leisk protocol? Why would apheresis be a factor for that

Oh sorry. I wanted to say that I don't continue but searching for an Apheresis.

 

[GlassCannonLife]

Oh sorry. I wanted to say that I don't continue but searching for an Apheresis.

Ah ok