Is neural/limbic retraining (DNRS) a treatment for ME/CFS or not?

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

So when I described this as brainwashing, I wasn't just being hyperbolic

Nor did I think you were. DNRS proponents, who all sell some version or another of this, pretty much bullhorn 'CULT !! CULT !!! CULT !!! ENTER HERE ...."

Which is not to say that all DNRS enthusiasts are exploitive hucksters, but almost all of those who sell the multiple versions of this .... discipline, for want of a better word ... are snake oil salesmen, purveyors of ghost breath, a product whose entire value rests in how hard you can clap for Tinkerbell ....

Ms Samways says these methods are now used by nearly all cults, personal development and even fortune tellers and white witches.

I think that certain unscrupulous politicians can be added to that list. One in particular, without naming names ....

 

[frozenborderline]

Nor did I think you were. DNRS proponents, who all sell some version or another of this, pretty much bullhorn 'CULT !! CULT !!! CULT !!! ENTER HERE ...."

Which is not to say that all DNRS enthusiasts are exploitive hucksters, but almost all of those who sell the multiple versions of this .... discipline, for want of a better word ... are snake oil salesmen, purveyors of ghost breath, a product whose entire value rests in how hard you can clap for Tinkerbell ....


I think that certain unscrupulous politicians can be added to that list. One in particular, without naming names ....

I mean yeah we certainly agree that this is the same as brainwashing, I guess that when I did a brief search of the term neuro-linguistic programming tho, I was blown away by how relevant it is to well known cults with histories of human trafficking, abuse, sexual trafficking etc... and how recent or current some of these cults are. Does the lightning process also use NLP? Bc if it does ... then wow... a government promoting cult brainwashing as a treatment. Not that cbt for ME/CFS works better but there's at least a veneer of respectability. But this NLP stuff is just new age cult stuff which is very very sinister.

I updated that post you replied to with even more finds. It's wild. This is a big rabbit hole. I don't have much energy currently but I plan to do an episode somewhat soon that delves into the crossover between these known cults and NLP and brain retraining programs for me/cfs. I have have little energy but this is a heckuva story that should really be delved into.

I know survivors of (non cfs /non dnrs related ) cults, like sex trafficking related ones... not NXIVM, way smaller ones. Some of those people do mold avoidance and also have dealt with these chronic illnesses so they may be in a good position to speak on these similarities... this is wild stuff.

Btw just more general stuff about the NXIVM cult here:

 

[frozenborderline]

I really want to absolutely take down the corrupt and harmful brain retraining groups. That sounds aggressive but by take down i don't mean attacking them in any harmful way or anything I mean Exposing their connection to cults , the lack of science behind their practices and the trauma, physical and mental, they've caused so many people. I have stumbled inadvertently into a bizarre out in the open real life conspiracy or set of small conspiracies rather than some overarching conspiracy

 

[poohsilk]

Get a book on meditation and save yourself the trouble. Dnrs doesn't work to cure the illness

Try Dr joe Dispenza on you tube and read his book first . Similar practice about stopping and overcoming mental and emotional blocks, beliefs and perceptions every day, then visualizing future self with elevated emotions. It has helped me alot. I believe it has to do with how deeply entrenched our illnesses are, and how much is effecting our emotional mental balance. Mold was a huge culprit, perhaps the root cause along with detox problems stemming way back. Still working on getting that out of the body, working on liver and gut health as well. DNRS , Gupta did not help enough.

 

[poohsilk]

I really want to absolutely take down the corrupt and harmful brain retraining groups. That sounds aggressive but by take down i don't mean attacking them in any harmful way or anything I mean Exposing their connection to cults , the lack of science behind their practices and the trauma, physical and mental, they've caused so many people. I have stumbled inadvertently into a bizarre out in the open real life conspiracy or set of small conspiracies rather than some overarching conspiracy

I feel the need here to defend the kind of self help brain retraining done to improve ones health. The DNRS or Gupta programs don't have you follow a leader. The only goal is to attain better helth and you do it yourself. I had a friend say she thought it was like gaslighting, meaning, I surmise, that they are saying its all in your head and all up to you. One has to look closer to the teachings than just a cursory look.