I feel very bad

[linusbert]

I am vomiting I think I am going to die

i wish you get better soon! did it get a little better by now?

is it possible that the vitamins irritated your stomach? which is quite possible for some. did you take with food? or before or on empty stomach even?
vomitting is a known side effect for vitamin pills.
is there some new foods or did something change with the food, new batch?

can you switch to a safe protocol of something which works for you, like plain rice? or noodles?

if you think your vomiting comes from detoxification, maybe some charcoal from the pharmacy can help with that?
also drinking enough water should be helpful. but do not drink to much because vomiting depletes salt balance.
if you have a apple watch or something to record a ECG you might wanna do that and upload here or to AI and let analyse. if electrolytes are off that it causes vomitting it shows in the ECG. in that case not detoxification is your problem but a electrolyte imbalance which can happen due to b12 and folate demanding potassium and phosphat like crazy. if this is your problem a banana and cheese/kefir/yoghurt can help.

maybe cold is helping you if you feel nausea. try a cold bath with your feed.

maybe stop the vitamins for a while, go back to safe easy food and go again later? (with later i mean in days or weeks until you are stable again)

400mcg is also quite a strong dose of folate i must say. the methylcobalamine is on the lower side of things, because of such a dose only 1% is absorbed + the amount the intrinsic factor in your stomach absorbs which isnt much either , i believe around 1,5-2 ug per meal. so you basically get at max 2mcg + 1%(=2mcg) , thats like the RDA.

i would recommend after a pause go low again with 10-50mcg folate and your dose of b12 or even a little bit more like 400-500mcg.
instead of methylfolate you might wanna try folinic acid, which is a active non methylated form, usually much better tolerated. also adenosyl- or hydroxocobalamin for b12.

the problems with active forms is that they do actively do things in your body. until the body gets them "detoxified" means back to balance they can do havoc in your system. thats why passive forms of vitamins can be better for many, because its better the body converts to active what he actually needs or can handle.
sometimes people have genetic defects, than active forms can be helpful. and sometimes cofactors are missing then also active vitamins are working better because cofactors not required.

and of course its also ok to call a doctor. maybe he can draw some blood.
even going to ER is fine. no shame in that, even if your condition shouldnt be life threatening. most important thing is that you get some help now.

 

[yellowspain]

Not only have I vomited, but my body temperature has risen, almost having a fever. I am very worried, I think I have the same problem as Freddd, however I do not have his analysis skills. How will I know what nutrient my body is missing if the tests are not reliable?

 

[linusbert]

Not only have I vomited, but my body temperature has risen, almost having a fever. I am very worried, I think I have the same problem as Freddd, however I do not have his analysis skills. How will I know what nutrient my body is missing if the tests are not reliable?

hey glad you came!

are you sure that you are not having some kind of infection?

what problem of his, he described many metabolic problems. do you mean the conversion problem where b12 cannot be converted into the other active forms?
i think he also did have something going on with lithium?

How will I know what nutrient my body is missing if the tests are not reliable?

you might not.
and you might. its a question many including myself ask.

though,
if you have a b12 conversion problem, you might see clear signs like much too much b12 in blood or much too less. also genetic testing should show this.
for b12 methylmalonic acid is a good test, because it becomes always elevated when there is a deficiency in adenosylcobalamin. but it can be elevated without b12 deficiency. but it should be never normal in case of deficiency.

for b12, b6 and folate is a good combined test, the homocystein. if methylation is broken homocystein will be elevated.

i believe best is to measure metabolites which will be elevated or reduced if there is a functional deficiency (which can be even when normal serum levels of the vitamins).
there are metabolic blood tests covering a lot of those, which sadly i do not know right now. Chris Masterjohn mentions those a few times in his blog. also i read it in this forums.
maybe someone else knows?

 

[yellowspain]

hey glad you came!

are you sure that you are not having some kind of infection?

what problem of his, he described many metabolic problems. do you mean the conversion problem where b12 cannot be converted into the other active forms?
i think he also did have something going on with lithium?


you might not.
and you might. its a question many including myself ask.

though,
if you have a b12 conversion problem, you might see clear signs like much too much b12 in blood or much too less. also genetic testing should show this.
for b12 methylmalonic acid is a good test, because it becomes always elevated when there is a deficiency in adenosylcobalamin. but it can be elevated without b12 deficiency. but it should be never normal in case of deficiency.

for b12, b6 and folate is a good combined test, the homocystein. if methylation is broken homocystein will be elevated.

i believe best is to measure metabolites which will be elevated or reduced if there is a functional deficiency (which can be even when normal serum levels of the vitamins).
there are metabolic blood tests covering a lot of those, which sadly i do not know right now. Chris Masterjohn mentions those a few times in his blog. also i read it in this forums.
maybe someone else knows?

I mean I'm in a methyl trap. When taking b9 and b12 it improved, after a few days it got worse, because some other vitamin or mineral had to be depleted.

 

[linusbert]

I mean I'm in a methyl trap. When taking b9 and b12 it improved, after a few days it got worse, because some other vitamin or mineral had to be depleted.

could be!
also could be that you got a burst in energy, and exhausted your resources. people describe this for multiple things, earlier today i read this for thiamin happening to some, first they got better, than it was worse.

do you take potassium? do you take phosphor?

 

[yellowspain]

could be!
also could be that you got a burst in energy, and exhausted your resources. people describe this for multiple things, earlier today i read this for thiamin happening to some, first they got better, than it was worse.

do you take potassium? do you take phosphor?

I haven't had any burst of energy. I have had some tests done to see my electrolyte levels.

 

[Scarlett*54]

I am vomiting I think I am going to die

Please call your doctor.

 

[yellowspain]

Please call your doctor.

I did It. I'm waiting for the results of a Blood test. It takes one week to see the results.

 

[pamojja]

Not only have I vomited, but my body temperature has risen,

are you sure that you are not having some kind of infection?

Think an infection is most likely. No need to panic. Or in other words, with panic it probably only gets worse.

I had a chronic bronchitis with constant coughing and shortness of breath for one year. I refused antibiotics (I can be stubborn against medications, since they caused so much harm in my past). It was not getting any better, Therefore I took off for months on a south Indian beach. First month, a painful ear infection only. The whole second month, hell broke out: daily diarrhea, vomiting, high fevers alternating with chills. The whole month I could eat little curd and plain rice only. Before I didn't have any fever for a long time, which was my last malaria 13 years before.

Lab tests, beside high inflammation, only showed some Salmonella Typhi. So probably typhoid fever. It ceased as unexpectedly as it began, exactly 1 month later,

Well, not precisely unexpectedly. I run out of money short before its end, where I could only get some more some thousand miles in New Delhi. A friend booked the trip for me, because still unable, But just as if planned, it got slowly better, and after arriving in Delhi it was gone. Together with the chronic bronchitis.

Back home, I got diagnosed with COPD stage 1, but asymptomatic since.

Let's hope for the best.

 

[linusbert]

I did It. I'm waiting for the results of a Blood test. It takes one week to see the results.

are you better? still vomiting?

Pamojja , you are also having a wild background story here. Malaria and a bad case of montezumas rache on top of a chronic lung disease. did you get any explanation for the origins?

 

[pamojja]

did you get any explanation for the origins?

Maybe some contaminated food? Don't want to hijack this thread. In this case, it was the last fever I've got 11 years ago.

What I indirectly wanted to express: I take such rare bouts of fever and vomiting very gratefully, if I can avoid Antibiotics and get rid of symptoms of a COPD with it, as in this case. In case you meant my whole medical odyssey from birth?: see here.

 

[yellowspain]

are you better? still vomiting?

Pamojja , you are also having a wild background story here. Malaria and a bad case of montezumas rache on top of a chronic lung disease. did you get any explanation for the origins?

I am still bad. I have strong symptoms of "detox" what means i have a severe defficiency of something. I know that i am going to die.

 

[linusbert]

I am still bad. I have strong symptoms of "detox" what means i have a severe defficiency of something. I know that i am going to die.

still bad vomiting?

if it is "detox" its only going on for a amount of time, i would expect this to not go longer than a week if you did cease supplementation.

try some source of potassium like potatoes or banana or coconut water please.
later try also some phosphorus rich source like kefir and some cheeses.

 

[yellowspain]

still bad vomiting?

if it is "detox" its only going on for a amount of time, i would expect this to not go longer than a week if you did cease supplementation.

try some source of potassium like potatoes or banana or coconut water please.
later try also some phosphorus rich source like kefir and some cheeses.

I'm referring to the detox that Freddd talks about, which is actually a deficiency of something. Today my foot moved on its own, as if someone was pressing on a point.

 

[linusbert]

I'm referring to the detox that Freddd talks about, which is actually a deficiency of something. Today my foot moved on its own, as if someone was pressing on a point.

sounds like overexcitement of your nervous system.
but your vomitting is gone?

 

[yellowspain]

sounds like overexcitement of your nervous system.
but your vomitting is gone?

Not, I am still bad. I am sure is refeeding syndrome and i don't know how can i Discovery what vitamin or mineral I need. If i don't Discovery It soon, I know my body IS going to die.

 

[linusbert]

potassium
phosphor

 

[yellowspain]

potassium
phosphor

I think my body has lost its homeostasis and is dying. I drank coconut water and i got worse.

 

[pamojja]

When I felt like dying, I only ate very few but most tolerable foods. More like fasting. And I often felt like dying, already at birth on the brink of death with a pneumonia. On and on. I'm still here.

Maybe there is some food with potassium you tolerate?

Potato, baked, with skin	1 medium	926
Apricots, dried	½ cup	755
Beet greens, cooked, boiled	½ cup	654
Plums, dried (prunes)	½ cup	637
Raisins	½ cup	598
Yogurt, plain, low-fat	8 ounces	531
Lima beans, cooked	½ cup	478
Acorn squash, cooked	½ cup (cubes)	448
Banana	1 medium	422
Spinach, cooked	½ cup	419
Tomato juice	6 fluid ounces	395
Orange juice	6 fluid ounces	372
Artichoke, cooked	1 medium	343
100% Prune juice	6 fluid ounces	322
Molasses	1 tablespoon	293
Tomato	1 medium	292
Pistachios	1 ounce	285
Milk	8 ounces	281
Orange	1 medium	238
Almonds	1 ounce	208
Sunflower seeds	1 ounce	137
Egg, whole, cooked	1 large	81

 

[yellowspain]

When I felt like dying, I only ate very few but most tolerable foods. More like fasting. And I often felt like dying, already at birth on the brink of death with a pneumonia. On and on. I'm still here.

Maybe there is some food with potassium you tolerate?

My electrolyte levels are fine. I have altered cholesterol, basal TSH (high) and orthostatic aldosterone (high)