seems worth looking into but I see no proof and it seems selfish that this person has kept it to themselves if they did cure all those people like they say so.
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is there any other doctors/researchers that looked into using autovaccines for ME/CFS type diseases? maybe nobody else just considered using autovaccines?seems worth looking into but I see no proof and it seems selfish that this person has kept it to themselves if they did cure all those people like they say so.
For some reason there haven't been any interest in his treatment since 2019, perhaps because that report was posted on ME/CFS forum that was dedicated to herpes virus associated ME/CFS...Guys, I'm not trying to persuade or force anyone to go to him. There have always been a lot of negative comments about him, in 2012 too, just like now. So you decide for yourself. His methodology (anatoxin, bacteriophages, and autovaccines) helps only if the problem is in bacteria. It worked for me.
In the year 2012 I got rid of staphylococcus and Klebsiella (from my nose and throat), these had been there for many years, and weren't sensitive to most antibiotics. I had no maxillary sinuses for 7 years already. And most likely in 2017-2018 too. After two courses of autovaccines, my sublingual temperature was gone, and everything has been OK for the last 1.5 years.
At the same time I was taking "Potopalsky's(doctor) izatizone". Which treatment worked better - I don't know, but it's a fact.
And yes, I have HHV-7 in my blood according to Ramodanova (PCR testing lab), and consistently low NK-cells (2-3%, with the norm of 6 at least).
I haven't gotten around to checking those tests since my recovery, though. Maybe something has changed.
I had sublingual temperature for about 1.5 years, so I was treated by Dr.Maltsev and Dr.Kazimirchuk, and another immunologist. The only thing that helped was Dr.Markov's treatment/autovaccines. So in my case it probably wasn't herpes viruses.
I'm not sure, I suspect moderate or mild to moderate. It's unclear what her ME/CFS really was, because she says that treatment helped her get rid of chronic sinusitis, maybe chronic infection was causing her ME/CFS:What level was that person at if yoy know?
EDIT:The cause of this maxillary sinusitis was Staphylococcus aureus and Klebsiella penumbium, they were insensitive to many antibiotics
I alredy tried Russian Staphylococcus Adsorbed Vaccine, it lead to short term improvements, but the improvements quickly faded and within a month I was back to baseline, perhaps when I ran out of thing to try I will give a shot to autovaccines...are you thinking of trying this?
I have not read all the responses so apologies in advance if I'm repeating someone else --- I think the potential fallacy here is the number of cases of CFS/ME that come about after a VIRAL infection, rather than a bacterial infection. It would seem odd how many people get a viral infection and don't ever recover. What would that have to do with bacteria?
Putting the patient back together
Unutmaz hypothesizes that ME/CFS is caused by a change in a patient’s microbiome after an infection.
Our microbiome consists of our microbes—trillions of bacteria, viruses, and fungi that are living in and on our bodies. A misbalance in our microbes can change the makeup of our entire microbiome, which triggers an inflammatory response and causes the immune system to perceive that there is still a danger in our bodies – even when an infection is long gone.
Unutmaz and his collaborators are approaching ME/CFS by examining the unique immune profiles – the dozens of subpopulations of immune cells that are unique to every person, shaped by medical history, past infections, microbiome, diet and more - of more than 100 patients and healthy controls.
“We’re sequencing thousands of species of bacteria. We’re determining hundreds of different populations of immune cells in the same person. We’re also analyzing their metabolism and thousands of different metabolites in their blood. We’re trying to put the patient’s biology back together,” explained Unutmaz.
Using an integrated analysis that requires an incredible amount of computation and technology, he and his group are combining this data with clinical data in order to look for biomarkers of the disease.
Unutmaz says they are already seeing profound differences in the immune systems of ME/CFS patients compared to controls. “We’re very excited about that,” he said. “In my mind, there’s no question that there’s an immunological basis for this disease.” Finding a biological basis for the disease, Unutmaz, said, would enable a physician to easily diagnose ME/CFS by identifying the corresponding biomarker.
I agree that this claim is fantastical and short on credibility.I don't agree with the idea that a kidney infection causes ME/CFS. So if this treatment works, I don't think it's by treating a subclinical kidney infection. The cure rate is also way to high, imo, to be true.
I think the translation may be a bit wrong, they should have different specialists like gynecologist, urologist, pediatrician, immunologist, infectious disease specialistUnless I mistakenly got the wrong guy, take a gander around his clinic's website (you'll need to use a translator). Is he a 1. gynecologist, 2. urologist 3. pediatrician, 3. immunologist 4. infectious disease specialist
If you click the link you posted to the clinic and click on "Markov Clinic" (at the topof the page) and select "Clinic Specialists" it has a list of the Doctors who work at the clinic.Unless I mistakenly got the wrong guy, take a gander around his clinic's website (you'll need to use a translator). Is he a 1. gynecologist, 2. urologist 3. pediatrician, 3. immunologist 4. infectious disease specialist 5.
Also quite different than someone like Dr Goldstein who carefully outlined his theories, his treatment protocols, etc.
These claims have not passed any kind of peer review or replication as far as i can tell hence are premature.Dear ME/CFS-Community,
Thanks a lot for your comments from June 1. Answering your comments:
this is about understanding the true nature/origin ME/CFS and it’s so long-awaited good news for ME/CFS-Community: based on the systematic clinical researches ME/CFS (2009-2021), the true nature of ME/CFS has been discovered & it’s found a diagnostic-therapeutical solution to its problem.
Repeating once more our general findings, ME/CFS is caused by a chronic often asymptomatic hidden latent bacteriologically confirmed bacteria infection in the kidneys (Nephrodysbacteriosis©). Such infection develops more often after over-use of antibiotics (often - beginning from childhood, especially by repeated and long courses) and may persist in the kidneys for years and decades and releases bacterial endo-&exotoxins into the bloodstream (that confirmed toxicologically), and those toxins cause the development of endotoxicosis and severe general intoxication of the organism with toxic damage to its various organs and systems that leads to the subsequent development of Chronic Bacterial Intoxication Syndrome© (CBIS) with more than 70 clinical symptoms of its manifestation.
Chronic Bacterial Intoxication Syndrome© (CBIS) is a new previously unknown disease/diagnosis that hides under the mask of ME/CFS in more than 95% cases of ME/CFS.
It’s developed differential clinical diagnostics and treatment of ME/CFS-CBIS without traditional prescribing of antibiotics, by using mono-/bi-/poly-valent autovaccines (which may be used unlimited individually "from a patient - to this patient", for them is not necessary any double blind placebo clinical trial as for massive production of vaccines), which target the kidney infection.
Such a categorical statement lacks credibility.To LASSESEN “Their results are creditable, their treatment is creditable — their model may not be” (June 1):
Phages, as preparations of local contact action, which are practically not absorbed into the blood, are not suitable for the treatment of Nephrodysbacteriosis© (a focus of chronic bacterial infection in the kidneys). Antibiotics also unsuitable. Therefore - only autovaccines.