Carnivore Diet

[belize44]

I'll never do carnivore again. Period.

 

[sb4]

I hope this helps,
YouTube: What made my GASTROPARESIS better?!

Thanks for the vid. I actually have seen that vid before and bought some gas x afterwards. I had before tried betaine hcl, digestive enzymes, etc but I don't think it is working at the route cause.

For me I'm 95% sure my gastroparesis is caused by poor blood flow and sympathetic overactivation. Recently my overall symptoms have been really bad and with it my stomach just clamps shut. Like I don't feel hungry at all and then when I eat even a small amount of food I feel sick and can start retching.

Right now I am only eating when my stomach feels hungry which generally means sub 1000 kcals per day.

I think I need to solve this massively switched on sympathetic nervous system issue I have before I can try carnivore again.

 

[GreenEdge]

I'll never do carnivore again. Period.

How come?

 

[skwag]

Gastroparesis issues make carnivore very difficult. Tried it again recently for a couple of days. Eating like 1500 kcals per day of corned beef, beef tallow, and a little coconut water. Was up all night with the food in my stomach threatening to come back up. I figured corned beef would be easier on digestion as its already broken up but not easy enough apparently.

Hey @sb4,

Sorry to hear the poor results. Do you have histamine issues? I see connections being made between gastroparesis and high histamine loads. I don't have any experience with that exactly, but Im fairly certain high histamine produces a different set of symptoms in me.

Anyway, corned beef is gonna be pretty bad in terms of histamine.

It is not uncommon to see the histamine issue come up on carnivore forums. The solution is to eat only fresh meat. No slow cooking. No minced meat. Don't even leave leftovers in the fridge for later. All this is easier said than done of course.

I'm not sure any of this applies to you, but if you try carnivore again maybe histamine is something to consider.

 

[sb4]

As far as I'm aware I don't have histamine issues.

I had the same thing with beef mince. Though I guess that's no good either for histamine.

Another time I tried it with pork and beef steaks cooked in the air fryer.

I'm pretty confident my gastroparesis issues are from my jacked up autonomic nervous system.

 

[Violeta]

See what you think about this angle. He mentions sympathetic hyperactivation very early on in the video.
This can also explain poor blood flow to the stomach.

 

[Nord Wolf]

Gastroparesis issues make carnivore very difficult. Tried it again recently for a couple of days. Eating like 1500 kcals per day of corned beef, beef tallow, and a little coconut water. Was up all night with the food in my stomach threatening to come back up. I figured corned beef would be easier on digestion as its already broken up but not easy enough apparently.

I’ve always been a meat eater and couldn’t survive without eating meat. For health reasons I tried a few times in my life to cut way back on meat and it always led to bad repercussions. My body always told me quickly that it needs meat to survive.

However, I also understand the challenges in the digestion of muscle meats. Like most things necessary in life, there is always a catch.

Muscle meats are high in inflammatory amino acids like cystine, methionine, tryptophan, and histidine. Digesting muscle meats sends these amino acids into the body and can instigate stress response actions that in turn release cortisol and decrease thyroid function. As thyroid function is suppressed more stress response occurs releasing more stress hormones into the body. Things like slowed metabolic function, depression, inflammation, fatigue, pain, sluggish digestion, achy joints, allergies, muscle loss, headaches, insomnia, weight gain, forgetfulness, and faster aging are attributed to high levels of those inflammatory amino acids.

Interestingly, turkey isn’t the food with the highest levels of tryptophan… but rather soy, egg whites, and seaweeds are.

The trick to this meat-eating issue is organic Gelatin. It lacks inflammatory amino acids meat contains. In fact, it is high in anti-inflammatory amino acids like glycine, alanine, proline, and hydroxyproline. Glycine is found in high content in Gelatin and has incredible health benefits. Two are the actions of enhancing building blocks for RNA and DNA, and synthesizing heme. Both create tissue repair, higher oxygenation of cells, detoxification processes, increase liver rebuilding, improves digestion, healing ulcers, improves sleep and memory processes. It is an anti-stress inhibitory neurotransmitter.

Consuming organic gelatin with meats counteracts the inflammatory amino acid activity and makes meat more easily digested and assimilated by the entire body. Not collagen mind you. Collagen is primarily for skin, hair, and nail health. Gelatin is specifically for healing the digestive system.

I have been consuming organic gelatin with meat and for snacks for years now. I’m allergic to red meats so I used to use pork gelatin until it became difficult to find. Now I use fish gelatin instead.

Anyway, many of us here on PR have issues with our digestive systems. I’ve found organic gelatin very beneficial. No idea if it would help you or not... and maybe you've already tried it, but just sharing anyway.

 

[sb4]

@Nord Wolf Yeah, I agree, gelatin is important and often missed out. I didn't include it last time I tried but I have in times before.

I think my gastroparesis issues are due to blood flow problems and sympathetic over activation.

It's not just the carnivore diet where I have these issues, it's just worse on carnivore. I think it's like you say do to the difficulty digesting meat.

 

[GreenEdge]

Muscle meats are high in inflammatory amino acids like cystine, methionine, tryptophan, and histidine.

Amino acids aren't directly "inflammatory," but some can either promote or reduce inflammation.

Inflammation (the body defending and healing itself) is normally beneficial so anything that reduces it is probably harmful. An anti-inflammatory, might be good for reducing symptoms of an auto-immune disorder, but at the same time it's going to reduce the bodies ability to defend and heal itself.

Which accelerates your progression to becoming a more valuable customer for the health industry.

Consuming organic gelatin with meats counteracts the inflammatory amino acid activity

Chronic inflammation is a sign of poor health, not the cause of it. BTW. All gelatin is organic.

I’m allergic to red meats

Do you have alpha-gal syndrome? If I had AGS; in order to reduce inflammation and calm the immune system, I would follow an (alpha-gal free) animal based diet to reduce carbohydrates to near zero. Next I would try adding minute amounts of frozen lamb or beef fat trimmings, in the hope I could train my body to accept alpha-gal.

If we're NOT carnivores,

 

[Nord Wolf]

Inflammation (the body defending and healing itself) is normally beneficial so anything that reduces it is probably harmful. An anti-inflammatory, might be good for reducing symptoms of an auto-immune disorder, but at the same time it's going to reduce the bodies ability to defend and heal itself.

Agreed to a point. The body can become hyperinflammatory which of course is no longer a healing form of inflammation. Encephalitis is one such example. Due to traumatic brain injury years ago, today if I exert physically or cognitively past my meager limits my brain and spinal cord swell. And I will tell you it not only is unpleasant but not helpful to my system on any level.
I don't agree that anything anti-inflammatory is harmful. There is a place for it all in my humble opinion, inflammation and anti-inflammation.
But I agree, inflammation in general is a healing or protective body response.

All gelatin is organic.

Not sure about that, especially here in America. If someone extracts their own gelatin at home from pesticide, antibiotic, hormone laden meat and bone, it will be in the gelatin as well. Good quality industrially processed gelatin... you are probably correct though. It goes through quite the process before it is packaged as pure powdered gelatin.

Do you have alpha-gal syndrome? If I had AGS; in order to reduce inflammation and calm the immune system, I would follow an (alpha-gal free) animal based diet to reduce carbohydrates to near zero. Next I would try adding minute amounts of frozen lamb or beef fat trimmings, in the hope I could train my body to accept alpha-gal.

I do not have AGS. I was born with a digestive allergy to beef, lamb, deer, sheep, and bison. However, pork, chicken, turkey, pheasant, quail, grouse, rabbit, squirrel, and all fish I eat as much as I wish. They have never tested as allergens to my system. I am also allergic to all proteins in all dairy, all eggs, and almonds.
I tried many times through life what you suggested about no carbs, avoidance and slow reintroduction. My doctors in the 70s actually tried that with me when I was still a kid to no avail. The last time I tried was in 2019, also to no avail. You can see the before numbers and the retest after a year. And I've done that avoidance process for a span of 5 years before prior to slow reintroduction with similar test numbers. I've never gotten the numbers lower than the 2020 readings.
But, I'm fine with all the meats I can eat. I've no need to eat beef, eggs, or dairy.