Waking up at 5am everyday (Five hours sleep)

ChrisD

Senior Member
Messages
411
Likes
829
Location
East Sussex
For the past 4 years of CFS/ME/Fibro, probiotics have been my absolute go to tool for getting 8 hours sleep that is mildly more refreshing than usual.
But since an infection in my groin that is strangely flared up by probiotics, I cannot take them. And since this my sleep has been far shorter.

I always go to bed at about 11:30 and get off okay with Melatonin but then I’m waking up every day at 4/5am as sometimes not being able to go back to sleep, other times getting 2-3 more hours of broken sleep. And it is breaking my health down!

Sometimes I’ll do a few days of probiotics which helps but of course comes with pain in my groin, so it’s like being between a rock and hard place. I’m amazed that even Melatonin doesn’t keep me down.

It all scares me a bit because as my health just gets worse with this poor sleep, I realise that potentially the only correction is FMT or some really complex reconfiguring of my immune system. I’ve already tried so many things to focus on gut/microbiome etc.
 

PatJ

Forum Support Assistant
Messages
4,053
Likes
11,955
Location
Canada
My most reliable sleep combo is liquid melatonin (0.75mg) plus Dr. Christopher's Relax-eze liquid. Sometimes, for a few days, I use a 50:50 mix of THC:CBD oil for a break from the Relax-eze.

Vitamin D has also improved my sleep. I take it early in the day and notice deeper sleep at night. I (and many people) need to take magnesium with vitamin D to avoid side-effects.
 

Wishful

Senior Member
Messages
1,840
Likes
3,031
I usually go to bed around 9PM (tired of dealing with ME), though I may not actually fall asleep before 11 or 12. I used to be able to sleep until 7 or 8, but lately I've been wide awake at 4. I don't know if it's from ME, or just from getting older (nearing 60). FWIW, I generally wake every 2 hrs or so (bladder insists). It's the falling asleep again that's problematic.

Melatonin (or 5-HTP) can help me fall asleep earlier, but doesn't seem to let me sleep longer in the morning. If I take it around 3 or 4 AM, it might let me fall asleep again, but leaves me horribly groggy for much of the day, so I don't even try. I never noticed sleep improvement from VitD.

So far I haven't noticed any health problems I could attribute to lack of sleep.
 

Pearshaped

...and then Life went pearshaped.
Messages
226
Likes
412
Location
Switzerland
If you get worse,I would consider help of medication and not waiting too long for the problem solve itself out.

Which things(herbs/suppl.)have you tried so far to get back to sleep?
for me,Taurine and magnesium do the trick sometimes.

The prescrption drug trazodone is said to help with early awakening.Though for me it hasn't worked at all.
when wide awake it helps me to focus on the silence around me and enjoy the only few hours when the world around me is finally silent.
 

Sarah94

Senior Member
Messages
869
Likes
942
Location
UK
Maybe try an antihistamine? I find Nytol quite effective for keeping me asleep. I see you're from the UK - you can buy it over the counter in pharmacies. I mean the version of Nytol that comes in a blue box.
 

Wishful

Senior Member
Messages
1,840
Likes
3,031
Antihistamines made me groggy, but not sleepy. I found the effect quite unpleasant. Definitely one of those 'see if it works for you' things.

@ChrisD , I get insomnia in early morning if I eat quickly-digested carbs in the noon to evening period. Sugar, white flour; it doesn't even take much to make me wide-eyed at 2 AM. Fibre-rich carbs dont' cause that problem. Maybe your altered microbiome is affecting how you respond to such carbs (or for you, maybe fats or proteins). Maybe try some different diet regimes to see if that has any effect. It might be a different time of day for you, or different types of food, but food definitely can affect sleep.