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I am having a very sensitive day today. This tread helped me to calm down. I appreciate all your thoughts on this topic.
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Thoughts on Suicide — A Dream Experience
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Sending hugs @jesse's mom
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"The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine." -- Sextus Empiricus, 3rd Century AD, or CE if you prefer
Thought your post was illuminating, fascinating .... thank you for the open and honest share, helped lift me up out of a night of insomnia and light dozes, interspersed with disturbing dreams that left me with that uneasy, disquieted feeling that all was not well.
Better now. Thank you.
Will come back and post some coping techniques, or possibly avoidance techniques, that I've used successfully in the past, and currently. Most of them stand the test of time. Not sure how deeply they develop the soul, but every day above ground gives us another schoolroom, eh?
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Not only the ugliest car ever made, but a stealth bomb that almost brought Ford Motors down, like, terminally.
So no, not a good choice for a metaphorical vehicle, I'd think. But better than a hearse.
Boy, I'm cheery today. I'll leave quietly.
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Book me a room with a view, yes?
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Have you read Final Exit?
Hello everyone.....I can't answer in any particular order b/c somewhere along the way we lost that form. I noticed that Buddhism is the prevailing wisdom most respondents live by. At age 75, I still don't know what to believe and I guess I believe in what has given me the greatest comfort in the past.
I think ME has been a special gift to each of us. It has certainly made life harder, but perhaps not as hard as some illnesses have to those who are afflicted. we owe it to ourselves and whatever our beliefs may be to think and learn from our illness. Learn as much as possible....and realize that the days of a career and getting ahead are behind us. The bigger question is what is in front? I know for sure that I never would have become the woman I am today. I like her better to be perfectly honest....and she has given far more than the woman I would have stayed as if I had remained healthy. I'm just so thankful for what there is that gives me joy....little things that wouldn't have occurred to me in an easier life.
I have found that volunteer work was the way forward for me. Intense, all consuming work that was so needed in the early days (no internet). Even the NIH had no information on my conditions (I have a few, but 3 are major neurological difficulties). I have found peace within this turmoil and have given tremendously (of myself). I can meet death at anytime and know that I did my best.
I have no doubt that I'll have more suffering before this life ends, but I know too many people who have really suffered for all of their lives to be discouraged and feel sorry for myself. Not everyday is an "up" day, I don't mean that....and yes, I'm in a down period at the moment thanks to a bad fall at the beginning of January.
I have far less energy now than I did in my other recoveries. Perhaps this is as far as I'll go.....I don't let it worry me any longer. I can only do my best and be my best. I hope that's enough. Yours, Lenora
As I've said before, my very caring neurologist recently unexpectedly died....I'll never be able to replace him and I know it. I have one-3 meds that I really need, apart from that I'm ready to give it a go with fewer doctors and constant appointments. After all, we don't live forever. No, I don't look at that as suicide, it's just a fact of life.
Be a good and kind person....that's something we can all do and it cost exactly nothing. Make everyone else's life as easy as possible.....pray for those who need/want it and send it into the universe if they don't. It's a positive thing. "Give until it hurts" does not apply to just donations. I take it to mean giving of oneself. It was easier years ago to find groups that needed help, I'll say that....but many are still out there and it will give you great joy. Our family lives by this simple rule....even our working daughters. If people take advantage, that's their responsibility not yours. I just freely give of myself and have found it most rewarding. Yes, it's draining but is also uplifting.
I think ME has been a special gift to each of us. It has certainly made life harder, but perhaps not as hard as some illnesses have to those who are afflicted. we owe it to ourselves and whatever our beliefs may be to think and learn from our illness. Learn as much as possible....and realize that the days of a career and getting ahead are behind us. The bigger question is what is in front? I know for sure that I never would have become the woman I am today. I like her better to be perfectly honest....and she has given far more than the woman I would have stayed as if I had remained healthy. I'm just so thankful for what there is that gives me joy....little things that wouldn't have occurred to me in an easier life.
I have found that volunteer work was the way forward for me. Intense, all consuming work that was so needed in the early days (no internet). Even the NIH had no information on my conditions (I have a few, but 3 are major neurological difficulties). I have found peace within this turmoil and have given tremendously (of myself). I can meet death at anytime and know that I did my best.
I have no doubt that I'll have more suffering before this life ends, but I know too many people who have really suffered for all of their lives to be discouraged and feel sorry for myself. Not everyday is an "up" day, I don't mean that....and yes, I'm in a down period at the moment thanks to a bad fall at the beginning of January.
I have far less energy now than I did in my other recoveries. Perhaps this is as far as I'll go.....I don't let it worry me any longer. I can only do my best and be my best. I hope that's enough. Yours, Lenora
As I've said before, my very caring neurologist recently unexpectedly died....I'll never be able to replace him and I know it. I have one-3 meds that I really need, apart from that I'm ready to give it a go with fewer doctors and constant appointments. After all, we don't live forever. No, I don't look at that as suicide, it's just a fact of life.
Be a good and kind person....that's something we can all do and it cost exactly nothing. Make everyone else's life as easy as possible.....pray for those who need/want it and send it into the universe if they don't. It's a positive thing. "Give until it hurts" does not apply to just donations. I take it to mean giving of oneself. It was easier years ago to find groups that needed help, I'll say that....but many are still out there and it will give you great joy. Our family lives by this simple rule....even our working daughters. If people take advantage, that's their responsibility not yours. I just freely give of myself and have found it most rewarding. Yes, it's draining but is also uplifting.
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I've been preaching on this for nearly three years, sometimes to the obvious dismay of some the members responding.
I admit that it's often difficult to find those gifts, and that the search is sometimes like the little kid, all excited on his birthday about a HUUUUGE pile of horse poop. As he enthusiastically digs thru it, someone asks him in surprize why he's so happy .... "Hey with this much horse shit, there's bound to be a pony in there somewhere ...".
It's in there. Somewhere. For me, it was the forced examination of my 'new' life, after the long bewailing of everything that it had taken from me, and what it might have brought with it that was positive.
Not necessarily. It's possible to find a new professional focus of some sort if we can heal enough, and maybe the frantic climbing-of-the-corporate-ladder part is over, but the contributing part might be just beginning.
9 years later...
I think some people are innately authoritarian. Some of us aren't. Authoritarians are attracted to religious or spiritual belief systems that insist they have all the answers and everyone else is wrong. When I was a kid this really turned me off about the church I was taken to, and later about the non-religious spiritual traditions I was / am investigating. I always come back to, none of us knows anything.
This is such a good thread, wish these conversations were still going on. Is anyone still here?
I, for one, am not certain of anything. I was raised in a mainstream religion (well, two of them) and I always loved the "feeling" of those days. I do not go to church today....but I feel strongly that children should be brought up in some religion. Whether they believe it or not is their business, but it's always good to have a moral code reinforced. That's the main thing...and it gives them something for the hard times in life. If nothing else, it makes it all easier.
I don't know what comes after this life, I've spent a lot of my life trying to make a decision....but I'm constantly questioning everything. I believe in a God, after that, I leave it doing my best in being kind and helping others. I also believe in prayer to help people through difficult trouble. I've had plenty and somehow I make sense of it and only wish I could have helped more.
What are your thoughts? I think a lot of religious thinking depends upon the people we've had in our lives. I've been fortunate and would love to have them all again. But what are the chances? It's all a big ?, isn't it? Yours, Lenora
I don't know what comes after this life, I've spent a lot of my life trying to make a decision....but I'm constantly questioning everything. I believe in a God, after that, I leave it doing my best in being kind and helping others. I also believe in prayer to help people through difficult trouble. I've had plenty and somehow I make sense of it and only wish I could have helped more.
What are your thoughts? I think a lot of religious thinking depends upon the people we've had in our lives. I've been fortunate and would love to have them all again. But what are the chances? It's all a big ?, isn't it? Yours, Lenora
Personally I think those who believe what they've believed since childhood are fortunate, in many ways. I'd like to be that person, but my experiences have led me elsewhere. Still, when all is said and done, it's the music of my childhood, the remembrance of the people involved and some of the beliefs that I hold onto.
In my biological family my mother's religion was looked down upon, shall we say. That later changed, but those days of prejudice remain. My father's religion was definitely the other way. I felt quite comfortable in both since I spent a lot of time with my father's family.
In my present family, my children were raised in my main religion, that of my mother. We attended church each week, since I strongly believe that children need a reinforced normal moral code.
Today those same children have been through almost every religion there is. Right now, our oldest daughter is Methodist and even attends Bible Study (and boy, that's been wonderful! It has actually been good for her), our youngest who never really believed in any of it, doesn't attend any church...but she really did try. Both are in mixed marriages. We have every major religion and then some in the mix that is called our "family." I think as a society we were better off when we did have religion. Something is definitely missing today.
I take a stance of what you do is your business, yes, please pray for me, live by the ten commandments and who has the answer to what comes next? No one, really. We should all do our best, though, that much is a given in any world. But that's just me....what about you?
I'll just add this: One of the most perplexed people I've ever known was a Presbyterian Minister (graduate of Harvard Theology Dept.) who broke out in hives each week. It soon occurred to him that he simply couldn't give sermons about something he didn't believe. He then became a psychiatrist. A very good one and retired as an old man. We had many interesting conversations as we were friends. I'm still good friends with his former wife, and she said that every day and night until the very night he died, he was reading Theology books looking for "the" answer. He had done this his entire life. So it's not by choice that we don't believe....it just doesn't happen to us. Thus we're quite accepting as we know it's hard to find answers ourselves. Certain things we can all do for each other and should. Everyone needs help along the way, that's prayer, and those who need other things that we can provide should be able to count on them also. Anyway, may each of you find peace. Yours, Lenora
In my biological family my mother's religion was looked down upon, shall we say. That later changed, but those days of prejudice remain. My father's religion was definitely the other way. I felt quite comfortable in both since I spent a lot of time with my father's family.
In my present family, my children were raised in my main religion, that of my mother. We attended church each week, since I strongly believe that children need a reinforced normal moral code.
Today those same children have been through almost every religion there is. Right now, our oldest daughter is Methodist and even attends Bible Study (and boy, that's been wonderful! It has actually been good for her), our youngest who never really believed in any of it, doesn't attend any church...but she really did try. Both are in mixed marriages. We have every major religion and then some in the mix that is called our "family." I think as a society we were better off when we did have religion. Something is definitely missing today.
I take a stance of what you do is your business, yes, please pray for me, live by the ten commandments and who has the answer to what comes next? No one, really. We should all do our best, though, that much is a given in any world. But that's just me....what about you?
I'll just add this: One of the most perplexed people I've ever known was a Presbyterian Minister (graduate of Harvard Theology Dept.) who broke out in hives each week. It soon occurred to him that he simply couldn't give sermons about something he didn't believe. He then became a psychiatrist. A very good one and retired as an old man. We had many interesting conversations as we were friends. I'm still good friends with his former wife, and she said that every day and night until the very night he died, he was reading Theology books looking for "the" answer. He had done this his entire life. So it's not by choice that we don't believe....it just doesn't happen to us. Thus we're quite accepting as we know it's hard to find answers ourselves. Certain things we can all do for each other and should. Everyone needs help along the way, that's prayer, and those who need other things that we can provide should be able to count on them also. Anyway, may each of you find peace. Yours, Lenora
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