The Undetectable Infection

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Elph68

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gregh286 said:
Hi elph.
yes will try and source a breve only probio.
certainly continous high dlactate could not.do anyone any good.
i mean very high levels can be medical emergency....its taken very seriously.
i think it plays havoc.with our blood.and.cardio system.
i took an awful dip on vsl3 last week.
hence not all probios are.created equal. Targeted probio is necessary.
bicarb.soda and strong lemon water should help alleviate the acid by alkalising....then carb restriction.
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good stuff elph:)
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Hi Greg,

Vsl3 has d-lactate bacteria in it which join in on the existing bad guys .... They are the secondary infectors I listed a few post back ..... After bug annihilation they would probably be ok ..... But not at the start .....

Damn .... I wonder how many others are prescribed that probiotic ...... Bad call doctors ....
 
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gregh286 said:
Hi elph.
yes will try and source a breve only probio.
certainly continous high dlactate could not.do anyone any good.
i mean very high levels can be medical emergency....its taken very seriously.
i think it plays havoc.with our blood.and.cardio system.
i took an awful dip on vsl3 last week.
hence not all probios are.created equal. Targeted probio is necessary.
bicarb.soda and strong lemon water should help alleviate the acid by alkalising....then carb restriction.
closing in on this b***ard.
good stuff elph:)
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Other stuff for you Greg .....

Bone broth, eggs and slabs of pure unsalted butter .... Yes butter .... Eat it like cheese ......

Butyric acid feeds the colon epithelial cells ..... I have a slab of butter straight from the fridge and to scramble my eggs for brekkie .... I actually forgot why until I was reminded a couple of posts back by Sidereal :)
 
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gregh286 said:
Powerful broad spectrum probio like vsl might be ok for.some but not for high d lactaters.

Butryic acid is good.for us?? We.should be looking to add more...is that right?
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Hi Greg,

It is ..... Feeds colon cells .... Makes them healthy .... Stops leaky gut ;)
 
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This LTA has got up my nose,

LTA is like a very prickly pineapple or cactus ..... Allows bacteria to stick onto cells, especially the teeth, heart valves etc. so it gets into the lymphatic system and it is pumped around and collects at the peripheries .... It is a piece of prickly cactus so to speak, so when it gets to our hands and feet, it gets stuck and the little spines start digging into the nerve cells and the cells in general ..... I wonder what that does???? ..... Hmmmnnnn .... Sounds like peripheral neuropathy to me ......

Also reckon it bursts cells causing them to 'dry out' and slowly die .... How many have horrible dry hands and/or feet ? .....
 
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gregh286 said:
Cool.....so a healthy low carb diet combined.with high fat dairy.
yoghurts.....butter....milk.....cheese.
Can worry about cholesterol another day. ☺
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Lol .... Don't start on cholesterol ..... No yoghurt, usually contains l. Acidophilus .... Lactose free milk .... Limit dairy as it contains sugar .....

Cholesterol is produced by the liver .... High cholesterol foods do not result in high cholesterol in serum ....

Arterial plaque originally thought to be from food ..... Is now known to be of ..... Bacterial origin ..... Who would have guessed .....
 
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@Elph68 this is just what I need, the problem is I am allergic to rice, I wonder if we can use something else. This is not CFS related I have being made sick by rice since I was 15.
 
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lnester7 said:
@Elph68 this is just what I need, the problem is I am allergic to rice, I wonder if we can use something else. This is not CFS related I have being made sick by rice since I was 15.
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Sorry Inester .... Not sure where rice is coming in .... I don't use rice nor do I eat it ...
 
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Elph68 said:
Hi Greg,

It has always been my belief that this is the underlying cause of our problems, and is the total problem in at least 50% of people with CFS.

Before I cop flack, I also wish to say that I believe the rest have complications from heavy metals, toxins, retroviruses, herpes, other viruses, Lyme etc. (and anything I have missed) which results in the more severe symptoms.

LTA I believe is the organic acid which everybody has overlooked, hydrogen sulphide and hydrogen peroxide also play a part. .... All I know is that all the literature talks about LPS and its possible link to CFS inflammations and CNS issues ...... LTA is much, much worse. And it has been sitting there in my signature block since I started here.

The medical profession just needs to start doing the right tests .....

I reckon lactobacillus GG and any L-lactate bifidobacterium will also work .... Streptococcus thermophillus is another good one .......
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Hey Elph,

LGG is the only probiotic l've tried which has made a difference, l dropped after the kefir + kombucha. Might bring it back.

I have LTA and strep bastardos in my nose also. A netti pot with xylotol, himalayan salt and gse helps crash their party. I also feel good after the flush out.
 
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Excellent study. Picked up some yakult today. My boy loved it.
My only worry is the sugar level in it, but l guess they need to ensure the good fighters are well fed!
 
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Mark37 said:
Excellent study. Picked up some yakult today. My boy loved it.
My only worry is the sugar level in it, but l guess they need to ensure the good fighters are well fed!
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The kiwis have 2 products that fit the bill ....

I use low sugar Yakut .... And they have this drink which has bifidobacterium BB12 ....

Smart kiwis .....
 

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Mark37 said:
Hey Elph,

LGG is the only probiotic l've tried which has made a difference, l dropped after the kefir + kombucha. Might bring it back.

I have LTA and strep bastardos in my nose also. A netti pot with xylotol, himalayan salt and gse helps crash their party. I also feel good after the flush out.
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Yep .... I use xylitol nasal spray and I also use drops in my eyes .....

This kefir grains up the rectum .... A game changer :)
 
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Great to hear about the grains having such an impact, perhaps the best way to defeat the main offenders hanging in the region is to simply overwhelm them and not let up.

Other than RS l can't see how to get big enough numbers of the good guys to where we need them most.

A sustained shock and awe via kefir whereby the pathogenic strains causing all this hell from the prostate can be killed/neutralized/balanced/or at least taught some manners and to behave darnet.

Then real healing will begin.
 
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gregh286 said:
Hi elph.
good to hear from you.
how is your protocol helping you these days.
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Hey Greg,

I watch what I eat,, keep the sugars down, but I have a 'normal' diet. I go to the gym most days, I still get some muscle pain if I push myself too hard but I still seem to be improving. It has been over 4 months without any of the serious symptoms .....

My eyes and mouth still burn, and my tongue goes blotchy when I go near my GF, and that sux :(

I seem to have some permanent peripheral neuropathy and my ferritin/iron levels are extremely high ....

I now feel great most of the time .....
 
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hi elph,
thats remarkable going to gym and stuff......dreams for most here.
would you mind posting your suppleements and stuff what you take,
And if you think any particular one made massive difference.

I hope you keep getting stronger.....great recovery story.

thanks
greg :)
 
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gregh286 said:
hi elph,
thats remarkable going to gym and stuff......dreams for most here.
would you mind posting your suppleements and stuff what you take,
And if you think any particular one made massive difference.

I hope you keep getting stronger.....great recovery story.

thanks
greg :)
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Hey Greg,

My approach is pretty straight forward:

Magnesium Chelate
Co Enzyme Q10 with Omega 3
Bicarbonate of Soda 1/2 tsp 3x day in water
Kelp powder or brewers yeast
Vitamin B under tongue
Digestive enzymes
Xylitol chewing gum
Xylitol toothpaste
xylitol drops in eyes and nasal spray (xlear, xlear kids is in a drop bottle)
yakult
Kefir milk 1 glass 4x day (after eating and before bed)
Kefir daily rectum flush (2 to 3 weeks)
2tbsp psyllium husk daily

initially a no-carb diet, I now loosley follow the paleo diet and I have been getting much tighter in following this.

Oral vancomycin gave the biggest improvement, BUT without replacing the gut bacteria with good bacteria, it came back. Clarithromycin high dose for 6 months also did good, I know it cleaned out my lymphatic system and the difference this time was kefir rectal flushes (I put good bacteria back in) .... Everything feels different (in a good way). I don't have that bowel pain anymore. Funny thing now is if I try kefir rectal flushes, I can't hold it in anymore.

I can feel myself getting stronger week by week, and if I have an occasional overindulgence in food I shouldn't eat (like KFC) it doesn't knock me around anymore.

We will see how it progresses over time.
 
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