Share this Protocol to improve the symptoms of Long COVID, ME/CFS and Post-vaccinal Syndromes!

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I am sharing with you this protocol, which I have named โ€œ๐‘๐ฎ๐ข๐ณ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅโ€, because both my father and I developed hypophysitis and meet the criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME/CFS). This protocol is designed for patients with Long COVID, ME/CFS and post-vaccinal syndromes, with the intention that it can help other patients like me to improve their quality of life. I ask that you share it as much as possible with other patients and doctors who treat these diseases, so that we can help as many people as possible.

I have been ill with ME/CFS since I was infected with EBV in 2013, and fortunately, in my case, the appropriate tests were done to detect ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ. Because of this disease, I had to abandon my medical studies in third year, and I spent eight years without being able to leave the house much, looking for how to improve my health and understand the causes of these pathologies. Thanks to this protocol, I was able to resume my studies, completing a professional training cycle in Clinical and Biomedical Laboratory Technician, and then I went back to university to study Biology in order to dedicate myself to research. Currently, I am in my third year of Biology and in these last three years, this protocol has allowed me to return to sports, performing intense weight training without experiencing post-exertion fatigue. In addition, I went from eating only chicken and potatoes, which was the only thing I could tolerate, to having most of my intolerances disappear, being able to eat almost anything, including pizza, hamburgers and legumes such as lentils. I even no longer have outbreaks of Parvovirus B19 and EBV reactivations.

When I wrote the article comparing ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccine syndromes, with the symptoms developed by some patients treated with ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ž๐œ๐ค๐ฉ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ข๐ง๐ก๐ข๐›๐ข๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ (๐ˆ๐‚๐ˆ๐ฌ) who carry susceptible HLA-II alleles, I never imagined that my father would later receive the same treatment to cope with the cancer he developed.

After several doses of ICIs, my father began to experience fatigue, dysautonomia, diarrhea, dysphagia, gas, cognitive impairment, slowed thinking and speech, nasal congestion, runny nose, and post-exertional fatigue, among other symptoms. It was as if the ICIs โ€œrecreatedโ€ the characteristic symptoms of MS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes by inducing immune hyperactivity and increasing the risk of developing autoimmunity in patients with susceptible HLA-II alleles.

Observing these symptoms, we suggested to the physician to check his cortisol levels. To our surprise, it was confirmed that he had developed hypocortisolism, something I had feared since I learned that he also carries the ๐‡๐‹๐€-๐ƒ๐‘๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“ allele, as do I, who am homozygous for that variant. After the diagnosis, he was prescribed hydrocortisone replacement therapy and, in just 24 hours, most of his symptoms disappeared, leaving only some fatigue at night.

In my case, after my hospitalization in 2013, I also received cortisol replacement therapy due to my extremely low ACTH and cortisol levels, in addition to inflammation in the adenohypophysis detected by MRI. However, after a year of treatment, it was gradually withdrawn because morning cortisol tests apparently showed normal levels. As I have discussed in other texts, a single morning test does not give a complete picture of the circadian cortisol rhythm. Since then, I have not gone back on hydrocortisone, believing that my only problem was chronic EBV infection.

Unfortunately, I know of very few patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes who have had their cortisol levels measured or had a pituitary MRI performed in the early stages of their symptoms. In my case, the HLA-DR15 allele made me vulnerable to EBV infection, resulting in an inability to control infected cells, causing chronic immune hyperactivity due to the constant presence of viral antigens. In my father's case, therapy with ICIs triggered immune hyperactivity by inhibiting immune checkpoints, allowing the immune system to attack healthy tissues and generate autoimmunity, with autoimmune hypophysitis being one of the most common manifestations. However, not all patients treated with ICIs develop these autoimmune diseases and this has been linked mainly to those who carry certain susceptible HLA-II alleles, such as HLA-DR15.

Therefore, both my father and I, sharing the HLA-DR15 allele, ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐š ๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ฑ๐š๐ ๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ข๐œ ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ. In my father, this hyperactivation was induced by treatment, whereas in my case it was a consequence of infection. I do not know which is the other HLA-II allele that my father carries, but since I am homozygous for HLA-DR15, it is possible that I am at greater risk for this hyperactivation, since both HLA-II alleles that we possess are co-expressed. The difference is that, if there has been no significant damage to my father's pituitary, he could regain normal ACTH secretion after stopping treatment. In my case, as the chronic infection that triggers hyperactivation and autoimmunity against the pituitary persists, the problem continues.

Having said all this, it is important to note that many patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes may think that ๐ก๐ฒ๐๐ซ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ž replacement therapy alone should improve all their symptoms, and this is not the case. This is evident both in my father's case and in other patients treated with ICIs, as these patients do not face the other consequences caused by a chronic infection. Therefore, patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccinal syndromes who have permanent pituitary damage, in addition to receiving hydrocortisone replacement doses, should also consider ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ซ๐š๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ to prevent viral reactivation and reduce the viral reservoirs responsible for their immune hyperactivation and autoimmunity.

๐Ÿ”„ Once again, I invite you to share this protocol with other patients and with physicians who treat these diseases. The more people who know this information, the more we can help others to improve their quality of life. As a patient my only intention is that other people with the same disease do not go through the same situation.

๐Ÿ”—๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐— ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐›๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://x.com/manruipa/status/1841161052026749330

๐Ÿ”—๐€๐ญ๐ญ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FldpBBqfmbNEfPD-FeDqwPdwuw0RQgWI/view?usp=sharing


๐Ÿ”— ๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐จ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ (๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐ž๐ฑ๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ฐ ๐๐š๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐„๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ): https://www.youtube.com/live/kJ3RRoMfJJk?si=DvFQbl7QhVJ5890C


๐…๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ž๐ฐ ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ng-covid-and-myalgic-encephalomyelitis.92286/

In the ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ I attach what I take myself.

Soon I will be uploading more information in this account and in the Foropacientes account, including recommendations on which low immunogenic foods are more suitable to start with, I hope it will be helpful!

PS: If you have SIBO you should treat it before starting the protocol.

๐Ÿ”ต๐‡๐ž๐ซ๐ž'๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž:
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ค๐Ÿ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ (๐Ÿ– ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of NAC of 600 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets 500 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 ubiquinol tablet of 100 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of multivitamin CellDefense
โžก๏ธ ๐‹๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ก (๐Ÿ” ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet 600 mg each
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets of 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐€๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐จ๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐ง๐š๐œ๐ค (๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น1 ginseng tablet 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐ƒ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ (๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet of 600 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐›๐ž๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ž (๐Ÿ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐›๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of melatonin retard of 1.99 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐Œ๐ž๐๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ:
๐Ÿ”น2 Valtrex tablets 500 mg each every 8 hours.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of Aerius (desloratadine) per day.

๐‘๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ that doses should be adjusted according to weight and always with medical follow-up. I weigh 93 kg and I am 1.83 cm tall, so it is essential that you take this protocol to your doctors so that they can adjust the doses and do the relevant analytical tests before and during the introduction of each treatment. Some supplements may interact with medications that you are already taking, so it is crucial to consult with a health professional. For example, astragalus decreases clotting and should not be taken if you are also taking anticoagulant treatments.

I would have liked to carry out a clinical trial with this theoretical protocol, but unfortunately we do not have sufficient funds and it could take years to complete all the treatments foreseen in the protocol. For this reason, I believe it is essential to prioritize the recovery of patients' quality of life and, at the same time, to continue to carry out these trials in parallel if we manage to obtain the necessary financial resources.




https://x.com/manruipa/status/1810664159354192253
 
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Mary

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@Manuel - I've been following a very similar protocol with a few changes:

NAC am and mid-day - taken at night it gives me insomnia

Siberian ginseng (eleuthero root) - low dose, otherwise I get insomnia

And an adrenal glandular as needed.

I don't take an antihistamine daily.

I can't take Valtrex - it gives me insomnia.

I also take a ton of other stuff, all the Bs, potassium, phosphorous, vitamins A, C, D and E, BCAAs, DHEA, pregnenolone, CoQ10, and the list goes on, and on, and on . . .. nothing has stopped me from crashing or really increased my endurance. It only makes me feel a bit better. Well, a pomegranate extract may be helping a little with endurance - it's been hard to tell because I've been dealing with extra fatigue the last couple of months and it took me way too long to figure out that my phosphorous had gotten low (had to do with switching products) and also my adrenals needed support. I think my energy is coming back, it's better than 2 months ago. Although of course I still crash with clockwork regularity when I "overdo" it!
 

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Thanks for sharing. Curious, if you are having any special tests while on Valtrex? I'm not real familiar with prescription anti-virals. You mentioned in another thread that you were on Valacyclovir for the last 6 yrs. Is this the same exact anti-viral as Valtrex? Is there any difference?
 
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Violeta

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Muchas gracias for the comprehensive list, @Manuel. And thank you for all the time you put into research and publishing your findings. I wish I could help you find a source of money to run clinical trials.

It's interesting that ACTH is related to the circadian rhythm. I wonder why ME/CFS frequently causes insomnia.

The Korean ginseng helps me with mood and energy. It has to be the Korean ginseng produced by the method that makes it red, though. Some Korean ginsengs are white. It's hard to find one that red in the USA.

I can see I haven't been taking enough astragalus. I am going to titrate that up.

My daughter has what seems to be a mild case of Long Covid. She gets tired and stressed much more easily than before she had it. I gave her some ginseng to try, and after about a week she said it's helping her. She finds that 2 capsules is adequate.

I don't take prescription drugs, but I'm going to try some herbal antivirals. I think I'll start with Pau D'arco.

I see desloratadine on Manuel's list. That's the antihistamine. (I didn't know that, just looked it up because Mary said she doesn't take an antihistamine.) Actually, my eyes are very frequently tearing and itchy. I will try quercetin.
 
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I don't take prescription drugs, but I'm going to try some herbal antivirals. I think I'll start with Pau D'arco
Just thought I'd share, the natural anti-virals that have worked best for me are Cats Claw, Licorice root, and L-lysine. Lemon Balm is another good one. I take more than what is suggested on bottle. I get the tinctures without alcohol. I've been on the line whether or not to try the prescription anti-virals. May I ask why you don't take them?
 

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Thanks, Tammy

I find l-lysine very helpful, too. I have loose lemon balm, and make tea with it, but I haven't been consistent enough with it, will try it again, and will get some licorice root, That helps with low cortisol, too.

I have tried cat's claw several times and it makes me so sick. I don't know if that's because it's really hitting what is wrong with me or because it can make your blood pressure drop. Maybe after doing the other anti-virals for a while I will try it again.
 

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๐Ÿ”ต๐‡๐ž๐ซ๐ž'๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž:
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ค๐Ÿ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ (๐Ÿ– ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of NAC of 600 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets 500 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 ubiquinol tablet of 100 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of multivitamin CellDefense
โžก๏ธ ๐‹๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ก (๐Ÿ” ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet 600 mg each
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets of 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐€๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐จ๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐ง๐š๐œ๐ค (๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น1 ginseng tablet 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐ƒ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ (๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet of 600 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐›๐ž๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ž (๐Ÿ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐›๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of melatonin retard of 1.99 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐Œ๐ž๐๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ:
๐Ÿ”น2 Valtrex tablets 500 mg each every 8 hours.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of Aerius (desloratadine) per day.

This is an interesting mix - all things I've taken besides Valtrex (although been considering that lately). But the combination is quite a bit different - higher dosage of astragalus and ginseng than I used, and a different combination.

Do you have any sense for which of these was the most important or if some tied to the relief of specific symptoms?
 

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Manuel

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@Manuel - I've been following a very similar protocol with a few changes:

NAC am and mid-day - taken at night it gives me insomnia

Siberian ginseng (eleuthero root) - low dose, otherwise I get insomnia

And an adrenal glandular as needed.

I don't take an antihistamine daily.

I can't take Valtrex - it gives me insomnia.

I also take a ton of other stuff, all the Bs, potassium, phosphorous, vitamins A, C, D and E, BCAAs, DHEA, pregnenolone, CoQ10, and the list goes on, and on, and on . . .. nothing has stopped me from crashing or really increased my endurance. It only makes me feel a bit better. Well, a pomegranate extract may be helping a little with endurance - it's been hard to tell because I've been dealing with extra fatigue the last couple of months and it took me way too long to figure out that my phosphorous had gotten low (had to do with switching products) and also my adrenals needed support. I think my energy is coming back, it's better than 2 months ago. Although of course I still crash with clockwork regularity when I "overdo" it!
NAC and Panax ginseng can cause insomnia if taken close to the evening. Therefore, it is recommended that the last dose of ginseng be taken in the afternoon. To counteract possible insomnia, it can be supplemented with melatonin at night. Personally, the afternoon doses of ginseng have allowed me to maintain my routine at the gym during those hours, as they provide me with the necessary energy to train. However, it is important to mention that I have increased the doses gradually over the years. At first, you should not start with high doses; it is better to adjust them little by little, according to your energy needs and inflammation level.
 

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Thanks for sharing. Curious, if you are having any special tests while on Valtrex? I'm not real familiar with prescription anti-virals. You mentioned in another thread that you were on Valacyclovir for the last 6 yrs. Is this the same exact anti-viral as Valtrex? Is there any difference?
Valtrex is the trade name for valacyclovir. Yes, I have been taking it for those years. You just have to check that the liver and kidney profiles are fine.
 

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For this reason, in cases of severe hypocortisolism, ginseng cannot stimulate if there is permanent damage and in this case hydrocortisone substitute doses should be used.
my cortisol was just measured and it looks fine
 

Violeta

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Maybe panax ginseng doesn't work well with Helminthic therapy. I'll have to see if I can find anything on the combination.
I haven't found anything about that yet, but I did find this about panax ginseng. This is good news.

"Ginseng and antiviral effects

Ginseng has been reported to have antiviral effects on H1N1, H3N2, and H5N1."
 

Violeta

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Maybe panax ginseng doesn't work well with Helminthic therapy. I'll have to see if I can find anything on the combination.
A study has been done on the effect of panax ginseng on helminth. It does seem that anyone doing helminthic therapy would not want to use panax ginseng.

Experimental study of ginseng on the infectivity of parasites​


https://eurekamag.com/research/000/...rpa1dNgKpcxhGKFs7ntihoMEeRlKhIytJQT4qFVFGvxW4

There is even a company that sells Korean ginseng as an anti-parasitic.
 
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Manuel

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Muchas gracias for the comprehensive list, @Manuel. And thank you for all the time you put into research and publishing your findings. I wish I could help you find a source of money to run clinical trials.

It's interesting that ACTH is related to the circadian rhythm. I wonder why ME/CFS frequently causes insomnia.

The Korean ginseng helps me with mood and energy. It has to be the Korean ginseng produced by the method that makes it red, though. Some Korean ginsengs are white. It's hard to find one that red in the USA.

I can see I haven't been taking enough astragalus. I am going to titrate that up.

My daughter has what seems to be a mild case of Long Covid. She gets tired and stressed much more easily than before she had it. I gave her some ginseng to try, and after about a week she said it's helping her. She finds that 2 capsules is adequate.

I don't take prescription drugs, but I'm going to try some herbal antivirals. I think I'll start with Pau D'arco.

I see desloratadine on Manuel's list. That's the antihistamine. (I didn't know that, just looked it up because Mary said she doesn't take an antihistamine.) Actually, my eyes are very frequently tearing and itchy. I will try quercetin.
Thank you very much!
Yes, insomnia is common in patients with adrenal insufficiency.

The use of anthistamine is due to the accumulation of histamine due to deficiency of DAO activity due to alterations in copper mobilization. If we reduce inflammation due to histamine accumulation with the antihistamine, we also reduce cortisol consumption due to this inflammation.
 

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๐Ÿง  ๐„๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐Œ๐„/๐‚๐…๐’: ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐š๐ฆ๐š๐ ๐ž ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐จ๐ฆ๐š?


We know that ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ can be a sign of pituitary damage or the presence of a ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐จ๐ฆ๐š (benign prolactin-producing tumor). However, many patients with ๐Œ๐ฒ๐š๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐œ ๐„๐ง๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ (๐Œ๐„/๐‚๐…๐’) or ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ have experienced elevated prolactin levels without a prolactinoma being detected. Why does this occur?

In many of these cases, the elevation of prolactin could be explained by the โ€œ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ฅ๐ค ๐ž๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐œ๐ญ,โ€ a phenomenon that occurs when there is a ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐š๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐œ ๐ข๐ง๐ก๐ข๐›๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง of prolactin due to pituitary inflammation. This may be caused by a condition known as ๐š๐๐ž๐ง๐จ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ, related to the autoimmune or inflammatory dysfunction seen in Long COVID and ME/CFS, resulting in a transient increase in prolactin without a tumor present.

In addition, if ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐จ๐ฆ๐š were to develop in the pituitary, this could also be a sign that there was prior inflammatory damage to the gland. ๐€๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐œ๐ฒ๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ may not only cause the stalk effect, but, due to the production of ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐Ÿ๐ฅ๐š๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐œ๐ฒ๐ญ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ, could create a ๐ฆ๐ข๐œ๐ซ๐จ๐ž๐ง๐ฏ๐ข๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ conducive to the growth of pituitary adenomas, such as prolactinoma. This action suggests that intrinsic cytokines may play an important role in the pathogenesis of pituitary adenomas.


๐Ÿ”ต ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐œ๐ฒ๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ
Prolactin, in addition to being a hormone, also has functions in the immune system. It has been proposed that ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฌ in lymphocytic hypophysitis may play a role in activating the inflammatory process in the pituitary. Prolactin could act in three phases of the autoimmune process:

1๏ธโƒฃ ๐…๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฌ๐ž: prolactin could activate pituitary ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž-๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐œ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฌ, which are professional antigen-presenting cells, increasing the expression of MHC class II molecules and co-stimulatory molecules such as B7.1, B7.2 and CD40. These cells are key in the activation of T lymphocytes in the immune response.
2๏ธโƒฃ ๐’๐ž๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฌ๐ž: Prolactin could also induce an increased release of ๐ˆ๐…๐-ฮณ by cytotoxic T lymphocytes infiltrating the pituitary gland, promoting increased inflammatory activity and tissue damage.
3๏ธโƒฃ ๐“๐ก๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ก๐š๐ฌ๐ž: In a later phase, prolactin could stimulate the production of ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข-๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฒ ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐›๐จ๐๐ข๐ž๐ฌ (๐€๐๐€) by B lymphocytes infiltrating the gland, contributing to the destruction of pituitary cells.

๐Ÿ”— ๐๐ก๐š๐ฌ๐ž ๐ซ๐ž๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11102-005-5082-5

This inflammatory cycle suggests that ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง is not only elevated due to pituitary damage, but may have an active role in the maintenance and amplification of the autoimmune process. This process is more likely in patients with ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐‡๐‹๐€-๐ˆ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ, which predispose to increased activation of the immune system.

๐Ÿ”ต ๐‚๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐š๐œ๐ญ
๐‹๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐œ๐ฒ๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ tends to dysregulate ๐€๐‚๐“๐‡ first, followed by ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐š๐๐จ๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ฌ (LH and FSH), ๐“๐’๐‡ and finally ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฐ๐ญ๐ก ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ž, so isolated hormone deficits are rare. Unlike the other hormones, ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง may behave differently in cases of lymphocytic hypophysitis. Instead of decreasing like the others, it is common to observe ๐ž๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ง ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฌ, mainly due to the stem effect and, potentially, because of its role in the immune response.

๐Œ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ง๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ค: https://x.com/manruipa/status/1843239388546773007

๐Ÿ” ๐ˆ๐Ÿ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐š ๐‹๐จ๐ง๐  ๐‚๐Ž๐•๐ˆ๐ƒ ๐จ๐ซ ๐Œ๐„/๐‚๐…๐’ ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ, ๐ซ๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ ๐ž๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ to identify possible hormone dysregulation that could be affecting your health.

๐Ÿ“ข ๐’๐ก๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐œ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ to help them better understand the disease. Also, I will be posting more details about infection-related autoimmune hypophysitis, stay tuned for upcoming updates!
 

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Maybe panax ginseng doesn't work well with Helminthic therapy. I'll have to see if I can find anything on the combination.
it had nothing to do with the HT, the side-effects i had from the ginseng are all mentioned in the pdf i linked.
Ginseng. Members of the genus, Panax, appear not to be harmful to human helminths, and one hookworm host has reported taking ginseng without noticing any untoward effect. [415]
from: https://www.helminthictherapywiki.org/wiki/Human_helminth_care_manual
 
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Hello Manuel. I was going to say that I am happy to see another Latino around here but I actually won't wish this to my worst enemy.

So, an autoimmune disease that damages the pituitary glan is the cause of ME/CFS? What about patients who experience anxiety and panic attacks? Would this hypothesis also explain those symptoms?

And can this immune reaction be an one time event and heal or once you got it you develop an autoimmune disease for life?

There is a very popular protocol for ME/CFS that you may have heard about, the Born Free Protocol. It's disease model says that pathogens hidden in biofilms and reactivated viruses are the cause behind ME/CFS which shares similarities with your findings about EBV. I would like to know your opinion about it.
 
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