Share this Protocol to improve the symptoms of Long COVID, ME/CFS and Post-vaccinal Syndromes!

Manuel

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my cortisol was just measured and it looks fine
In mild damage to the pituitary or adrenal gland may result in normal levels of cortisol and ACTH in the blood. That is why these tests do not detect these deficiencies. The ideal is also to do a 24h urine cortisol test and a saliva cortisol test in several samples per day. The latter shows you the complete cortisol curve and measures the free cortisol which is the functionally active cortisol. Then the best tests that can assess the response to stress and if the glands are completely healthy, are the stimulation tests with CRH and insulin. Therefore a morning cortisol or acth test is not sufficient to rule out pituitary damage.
 

Manuel

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Hello Manuel. I was going to say that I am happy to see another Latino around here but I actually won't wish this to my worst enemy.

So, an autoimmune disease that damages the pituitary glan is the cause of ME/CFS? What about patients who experience anxiety and panic attacks? Would this hypothesis also explain those symptoms?

And can this immune reaction be an one time event and heal or once you got it you develop an autoimmune disease for life?

There is a very popular protocol for ME/CFS that you may have heard about, the Born Free Protocol. It's disease model says that pathogens hidden in biofilms and reactivated viruses are the cause behind ME/CFS which shares similarities with your findings about EBV. I would like to know your opinion about it.
Hi nice to meet you,
The cause is viral infection/antigen causing autoimmunity in a patient with susceptible HLA-II alleles.

Anxiety and panic attack symptoms are common in patients with adrenal insufficiency because of the adrenaline spikes they make to make up for the low cortisol secretion. So not only high cortisol can generate this sensation but a hypocortisolemia with adrenaline peaks can also do it.

The pituitary and adrenal gland have a very low regeneration rate so any damage caused by autoimmunity can cause it to be permanent. It can be treated by giving antivirals to eliminate the viral reservoirs that are continually releasing the viral antigens responsible for the autoimmune response and at the same time giving hydrocortisone replacement to replace the permanent damage caused by this autoimmunity. Think of type I diabetes caused by an infection. You have to treat the infection and give insulin for the autoimmune consequences.

Regarding the last question, if persistent reservoirs are responsible for the autoimmune response and immune exhaustion. If there is exhaustion by hyperactivation maintained by hypocortisolemia, more viral reactivations appear.
 

yellowspain

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Hello. There are people with chronic fatigue who have not suffered any triggering viral infection or exposure to toxins.
 

Blazer95

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while i do understand a lot of ideas from this protocol like NAC, astragalus (increasing immune function of t-cells specificly as some studies could indicate), melatonin for sleep improvements, etc. I doubt it will work for the majority.

Will I try it regardless? Yes.
 

Violeta

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while i do understand a lot of ideas from this protocol like NAC, astragalus (increasing immune function of t-cells specificly as some studies could indicate), melatonin for sleep improvements, etc. I doubt it will work for the majority.

Will I try it regardless? Yes.
Don't forget about the cortisol part of the protocol.


Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Hypofunction in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME)/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) as a Consequence of Activated Immune-Inflammatory and Oxidative and Nitrosative Pathways

There is evidence that immune-inflammatory and oxidative and nitrosative stress (O&NS) pathways play a role in the pathophysiology of myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME)/chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). There is also evidence that these neuroimmune diseases are accompanied by hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis hypoactivity as indicated by lowered baseline glucocorticoid levels.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27766535/
 

Violeta

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Interestingly, Gulf War Illness does not involve a viral infection as trigger, but does also involve impaired pituitary or adrenal responses.

Specifically, approximately 15 years after the GW, GWI patients exhibited a greater suppression of cortisol levels than controls, which may be indicative of impaired pituitary or adrenal responses

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in Gulf War Veterans


The hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis is a key part of the body's stress response, and abnormalities in this system have been linked to Gulf War Illness (GWI):


  • HPA axis function
    The HPA axis controls the body's stress response by releasing hormones that trigger the "fight or flight" response.

    HPA axis dysfunction in GWI
    Veterans with GWI have shown abnormal HPA axis activity, including lower levels of plasma ACTH and a higher cortisol:ACTH ratio. This may be due to enhanced sensitivity to cortisol's feedback effects and reduced HPA axis activity

Exposing the latent phenotype of Gulf War Illness: examination of the mechanistic mediators of cognitive dysfunction
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2024.1403574/full#B39
 
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I am sharing with you this protocol, which I have named โ€œ๐‘๐ฎ๐ข๐ณ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅโ€, because both my father and I developed hypophysitis and meet the criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME/CFS). This protocol is designed for patients with Long COVID, ME/CFS and post-vaccinal syndromes, with the intention that it can help other patients like me to improve their quality of life. I ask that you share it as much as possible with other patients and doctors who treat these diseases, so that we can help as many people as possible.

I have been ill with ME/CFS since I was infected with EBV in 2013, and fortunately, in my case, the appropriate tests were done to detect ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ. Because of this disease, I had to abandon my medical studies in third year, and I spent eight years without being able to leave the house much, looking for how to improve my health and understand the causes of these pathologies. Thanks to this protocol, I was able to resume my studies, completing a professional training cycle in Clinical and Biomedical Laboratory Technician, and then I went back to university to study Biology in order to dedicate myself to research. Currently, I am in my third year of Biology and in these last three years, this protocol has allowed me to return to sports, performing intense weight training without experiencing post-exertion fatigue. In addition, I went from eating only chicken and potatoes, which was the only thing I could tolerate, to having most of my intolerances disappear, being able to eat almost anything, including pizza, hamburgers and legumes such as lentils. I even no longer have outbreaks of Parvovirus B19 and EBV reactivations.

When I wrote the article comparing ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccine syndromes, with the symptoms developed by some patients treated with ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ž๐œ๐ค๐ฉ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ข๐ง๐ก๐ข๐›๐ข๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ (๐ˆ๐‚๐ˆ๐ฌ) who carry susceptible HLA-II alleles, I never imagined that my father would later receive the same treatment to cope with the cancer he developed.

After several doses of ICIs, my father began to experience fatigue, dysautonomia, diarrhea, dysphagia, gas, cognitive impairment, slowed thinking and speech, nasal congestion, runny nose, and post-exertional fatigue, among other symptoms. It was as if the ICIs โ€œrecreatedโ€ the characteristic symptoms of MS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes by inducing immune hyperactivity and increasing the risk of developing autoimmunity in patients with susceptible HLA-II alleles.

Observing these symptoms, we suggested to the physician to check his cortisol levels. To our surprise, it was confirmed that he had developed hypocortisolism, something I had feared since I learned that he also carries the ๐‡๐‹๐€-๐ƒ๐‘๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“ allele, as do I, who am homozygous for that variant. After the diagnosis, he was prescribed hydrocortisone replacement therapy and, in just 24 hours, most of his symptoms disappeared, leaving only some fatigue at night.

In my case, after my hospitalization in 2013, I also received cortisol replacement therapy due to my extremely low ACTH and cortisol levels, in addition to inflammation in the adenohypophysis detected by MRI. However, after a year of treatment, it was gradually withdrawn because morning cortisol tests apparently showed normal levels. As I have discussed in other texts, a single morning test does not give a complete picture of the circadian cortisol rhythm. Since then, I have not gone back on hydrocortisone, believing that my only problem was chronic EBV infection.

Unfortunately, I know of very few patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes who have had their cortisol levels measured or had a pituitary MRI performed in the early stages of their symptoms. In my case, the HLA-DR15 allele made me vulnerable to EBV infection, resulting in an inability to control infected cells, causing chronic immune hyperactivity due to the constant presence of viral antigens. In my father's case, therapy with ICIs triggered immune hyperactivity by inhibiting immune checkpoints, allowing the immune system to attack healthy tissues and generate autoimmunity, with autoimmune hypophysitis being one of the most common manifestations. However, not all patients treated with ICIs develop these autoimmune diseases and this has been linked mainly to those who carry certain susceptible HLA-II alleles, such as HLA-DR15.

Therefore, both my father and I, sharing the HLA-DR15 allele, ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐š ๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ฑ๐š๐ ๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ข๐œ ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ. In my father, this hyperactivation was induced by treatment, whereas in my case it was a consequence of infection. I do not know which is the other HLA-II allele that my father carries, but since I am homozygous for HLA-DR15, it is possible that I am at greater risk for this hyperactivation, since both HLA-II alleles that we possess are co-expressed. The difference is that, if there has been no significant damage to my father's pituitary, he could regain normal ACTH secretion after stopping treatment. In my case, as the chronic infection that triggers hyperactivation and autoimmunity against the pituitary persists, the problem continues.

Having said all this, it is important to note that many patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes may think that ๐ก๐ฒ๐๐ซ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ž replacement therapy alone should improve all their symptoms, and this is not the case. This is evident both in my father's case and in other patients treated with ICIs, as these patients do not face the other consequences caused by a chronic infection. Therefore, patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccinal syndromes who have permanent pituitary damage, in addition to receiving hydrocortisone replacement doses, should also consider ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ซ๐š๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ to prevent viral reactivation and reduce the viral reservoirs responsible for their immune hyperactivation and autoimmunity.

๐Ÿ”„ Once again, I invite you to share this protocol with other patients and with physicians who treat these diseases. The more people who know this information, the more we can help others to improve their quality of life. As a patient my only intention is that other people with the same disease do not go through the same situation.

๐Ÿ”—๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐— ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐›๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://x.com/manruipa/status/1841161052026749330

๐Ÿ”—๐€๐ญ๐ญ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FldpBBqfmbNEfPD-FeDqwPdwuw0RQgWI/view?usp=sharing


๐Ÿ”— ๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐จ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ (๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐ž๐ฑ๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ฐ ๐๐š๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐„๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ): https://www.youtube.com/live/kJ3RRoMfJJk?si=DvFQbl7QhVJ5890C


๐…๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ž๐ฐ ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ng-covid-and-myalgic-encephalomyelitis.92286/

In the ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ I attach what I take myself.

Soon I will be uploading more information in this account and in the Foropacientes account, including recommendations on which low immunogenic foods are more suitable to start with, I hope it will be helpful!

PS: If you have SIBO you should treat it before starting the protocol.

๐Ÿ”ต๐‡๐ž๐ซ๐ž'๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž:
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ค๐Ÿ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ (๐Ÿ– ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of NAC of 600 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets 500 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 ubiquinol tablet of 100 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of multivitamin CellDefense
โžก๏ธ ๐‹๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ก (๐Ÿ” ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet 600 mg each
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets of 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐€๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐จ๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐ง๐š๐œ๐ค (๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น1 ginseng tablet 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐ƒ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ (๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet of 600 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐›๐ž๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ž (๐Ÿ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐›๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of melatonin retard of 1.99 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐Œ๐ž๐๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ:
๐Ÿ”น2 Valtrex tablets 500 mg each every 8 hours.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of Aerius (desloratadine) per day.

๐‘๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ that doses should be adjusted according to weight and always with medical follow-up. I weigh 93 kg and I am 1.83 cm tall, so it is essential that you take this protocol to your doctors so that they can adjust the doses and do the relevant analytical tests before and during the introduction of each treatment. Some supplements may interact with medications that you are already taking, so it is crucial to consult with a health professional. For example, astragalus decreases clotting and should not be taken if you are also taking anticoagulant treatments.

I would have liked to carry out a clinical trial with this theoretical protocol, but unfortunately we do not have sufficient funds and it could take years to complete all the treatments foreseen in the protocol. For this reason, I believe it is essential to prioritize the recovery of patients' quality of life and, at the same time, to continue to carry out these trials in parallel if we manage to obtain the necessary financial resources.




https://x.com/manruipa/status/1810664159354192253
Very intresting,thank you for sharing, where can we get tested for ๐‡๐‹๐€-๐ƒ๐‘๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“?
 
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I am sharing with you this protocol, which I have named โ€œ๐‘๐ฎ๐ข๐ณ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅโ€, because both my father and I developed hypophysitis and meet the criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME/CFS). This protocol is designed for patients with Long COVID, ME/CFS and post-vaccinal syndromes, with the intention that it can help other patients like me to improve their quality of life. I ask that you share it as much as possible with other patients and doctors who treat these diseases, so that we can help as many people as possible.

I have been ill with ME/CFS since I was infected with EBV in 2013, and fortunately, in my case, the appropriate tests were done to detect ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ. Because of this disease, I had to abandon my medical studies in third year, and I spent eight years without being able to leave the house much, looking for how to improve my health and understand the causes of these pathologies. Thanks to this protocol, I was able to resume my studies, completing a professional training cycle in Clinical and Biomedical Laboratory Technician, and then I went back to university to study Biology in order to dedicate myself to research. Currently, I am in my third year of Biology and in these last three years, this protocol has allowed me to return to sports, performing intense weight training without experiencing post-exertion fatigue. In addition, I went from eating only chicken and potatoes, which was the only thing I could tolerate, to having most of my intolerances disappear, being able to eat almost anything, including pizza, hamburgers and legumes such as lentils. I even no longer have outbreaks of Parvovirus B19 and EBV reactivations.

When I wrote the article comparing ME/CFS, Long COVID and post-vaccine syndromes, with the symptoms developed by some patients treated with ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ž๐œ๐ค๐ฉ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ข๐ง๐ก๐ข๐›๐ข๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ (๐ˆ๐‚๐ˆ๐ฌ) who carry susceptible HLA-II alleles, I never imagined that my father would later receive the same treatment to cope with the cancer he developed.

After several doses of ICIs, my father began to experience fatigue, dysautonomia, diarrhea, dysphagia, gas, cognitive impairment, slowed thinking and speech, nasal congestion, runny nose, and post-exertional fatigue, among other symptoms. It was as if the ICIs โ€œrecreatedโ€ the characteristic symptoms of MS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes by inducing immune hyperactivity and increasing the risk of developing autoimmunity in patients with susceptible HLA-II alleles.

Observing these symptoms, we suggested to the physician to check his cortisol levels. To our surprise, it was confirmed that he had developed hypocortisolism, something I had feared since I learned that he also carries the ๐‡๐‹๐€-๐ƒ๐‘๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“ allele, as do I, who am homozygous for that variant. After the diagnosis, he was prescribed hydrocortisone replacement therapy and, in just 24 hours, most of his symptoms disappeared, leaving only some fatigue at night.

In my case, after my hospitalization in 2013, I also received cortisol replacement therapy due to my extremely low ACTH and cortisol levels, in addition to inflammation in the adenohypophysis detected by MRI. However, after a year of treatment, it was gradually withdrawn because morning cortisol tests apparently showed normal levels. As I have discussed in other texts, a single morning test does not give a complete picture of the circadian cortisol rhythm. Since then, I have not gone back on hydrocortisone, believing that my only problem was chronic EBV infection.

Unfortunately, I know of very few patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes who have had their cortisol levels measured or had a pituitary MRI performed in the early stages of their symptoms. In my case, the HLA-DR15 allele made me vulnerable to EBV infection, resulting in an inability to control infected cells, causing chronic immune hyperactivity due to the constant presence of viral antigens. In my father's case, therapy with ICIs triggered immune hyperactivity by inhibiting immune checkpoints, allowing the immune system to attack healthy tissues and generate autoimmunity, with autoimmune hypophysitis being one of the most common manifestations. However, not all patients treated with ICIs develop these autoimmune diseases and this has been linked mainly to those who carry certain susceptible HLA-II alleles, such as HLA-DR15.

Therefore, both my father and I, sharing the HLA-DR15 allele, ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐š ๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐œ๐ž๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ฑ๐š๐ ๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ž ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ข๐œ ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ. In my father, this hyperactivation was induced by treatment, whereas in my case it was a consequence of infection. I do not know which is the other HLA-II allele that my father carries, but since I am homozygous for HLA-DR15, it is possible that I am at greater risk for this hyperactivation, since both HLA-II alleles that we possess are co-expressed. The difference is that, if there has been no significant damage to my father's pituitary, he could regain normal ACTH secretion after stopping treatment. In my case, as the chronic infection that triggers hyperactivation and autoimmunity against the pituitary persists, the problem continues.

Having said all this, it is important to note that many patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccine syndromes may think that ๐ก๐ฒ๐๐ซ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ž replacement therapy alone should improve all their symptoms, and this is not the case. This is evident both in my father's case and in other patients treated with ICIs, as these patients do not face the other consequences caused by a chronic infection. Therefore, patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID or post-vaccinal syndromes who have permanent pituitary damage, in addition to receiving hydrocortisone replacement doses, should also consider ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ซ๐š๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ to prevent viral reactivation and reduce the viral reservoirs responsible for their immune hyperactivation and autoimmunity.

๐Ÿ”„ Once again, I invite you to share this protocol with other patients and with physicians who treat these diseases. The more people who know this information, the more we can help others to improve their quality of life. As a patient my only intention is that other people with the same disease do not go through the same situation.

๐Ÿ”—๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐— ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐›๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://x.com/manruipa/status/1841161052026749330

๐Ÿ”—๐€๐ญ๐ญ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FldpBBqfmbNEfPD-FeDqwPdwuw0RQgWI/view?usp=sharing


๐Ÿ”— ๐‹๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐จ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐จ๐œ๐จ๐ฅ (๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐ž๐ฑ๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ฐ ๐๐š๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐„๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ): https://www.youtube.com/live/kJ3RRoMfJJk?si=DvFQbl7QhVJ5890C


๐…๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ˆ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ž๐ฐ ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฅ๐ž: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ng-covid-and-myalgic-encephalomyelitis.92286/

In the ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ I attach what I take myself.

Soon I will be uploading more information in this account and in the Foropacientes account, including recommendations on which low immunogenic foods are more suitable to start with, I hope it will be helpful!

PS: If you have SIBO you should treat it before starting the protocol.

๐Ÿ”ต๐‡๐ž๐ซ๐ž'๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž:
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ค๐Ÿ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ (๐Ÿ– ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of NAC of 600 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets 500 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 ubiquinol tablet of 100 mg each
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of multivitamin CellDefense
โžก๏ธ ๐‹๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐ก (๐Ÿ” ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ญ๐ฌ):
๐Ÿ”น3 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet 600 mg each
๐Ÿ”น2 ginseng extract tablets of 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐€๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐จ๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐ง๐š๐œ๐ค (๐š๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น1 ginseng tablet 500 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐ƒ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ (๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŽ):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of astragalus extract 500 mg each.
๐Ÿ”น1 NAC tablet of 600 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐›๐ž๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ž (๐Ÿ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐›๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž):
๐Ÿ”น2 tablets of melatonin retard of 1.99 mg each
โžก๏ธ ๐Œ๐ž๐๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ:
๐Ÿ”น2 Valtrex tablets 500 mg each every 8 hours.
๐Ÿ”น1 tablet of Aerius (desloratadine) per day.

๐‘๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ that doses should be adjusted according to weight and always with medical follow-up. I weigh 93 kg and I am 1.83 cm tall, so it is essential that you take this protocol to your doctors so that they can adjust the doses and do the relevant analytical tests before and during the introduction of each treatment. Some supplements may interact with medications that you are already taking, so it is crucial to consult with a health professional. For example, astragalus decreases clotting and should not be taken if you are also taking anticoagulant treatments.

I would have liked to carry out a clinical trial with this theoretical protocol, but unfortunately we do not have sufficient funds and it could take years to complete all the treatments foreseen in the protocol. For this reason, I believe it is essential to prioritize the recovery of patients' quality of life and, at the same time, to continue to carry out these trials in parallel if we manage to obtain the necessary financial resources.




https://x.com/manruipa/status/1810664159354192253
Very intresting, where can someone get tested for HLA-DR15?
 

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The use of anthistamine is due to the accumulation of histamine due to deficiency of DAO activity due to alterations in copper mobilization. If we reduce inflammation due to histamine accumulation with the antihistamine, we also reduce cortisol consumption due to this inflammation.
Do Sars-CoV-2 and EBV cause a deficiency of DAO due to alterations in copper mobilization?

I have had for quite some time bad reactions to foods high in copper, and so does one of my children. I seem to be caught in a paradoxical situation.

Is it possible to expand on the "alteration in copper mobilization"?

I ask about this because I am prone to shingles and herpes simplex and for some reason various foods, such as eggs and bananas, for example, can cause small outbreaks. I have tested positive to being allergic to both. I had been wondering why eating something I am allergic to would cause an outbreak.

I have to work more on eradicating any possible virus, be sure to avoid foods that I am allergic to, but also maybe there is something that can be done in the meantime to help with DAO or copper normalization.


Thank you, again, Manuel, for the time you spend sharing your information and answering questions here.
 
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