Hip said:
It seems apparent that the authors of this PACE study actually want their completely redefined word "recovery" to be misinterpreted. Thus, this is not a mistake by the PACE study authors, but is in fact fraudulent.
In recent correspondence between Professors White/Wessely and the Countess of Mar, White refuted claims that he did nothing to correct the erroneously reporting of "normal range" as "recovery" back in 2011. He pointed out that the difference was clarified in their authors' reply in the Lancet (several months after the fact), while the Countess of Mar later accused him of double-standards (doing nothing to combat the claims of "recovery" in news articles, while
rapidly writing in response to David Tuller's article which questioned the generalizability of the results).
Now, this so-called "normal range" in fatigue and physical function, which overlaps with trial eligibility for "disabling fatigue", is officially presented as a "recovery" in the latest paper anyway, with additional
optional criteria bolted on. I have to agree with you that the confusion about recovery is not a mistake. The unnecessary ambiguity surrounding "recovery" is serving a purpose, just as the ambiguity surrounding use of the word "functional" is serving a purpose (noted in Wessely's paper).
So far the general defense of the paper can be simplistically paraphrased as:
"Give the authors some slack, recovery is very difficult to define in CFS, they have done their best in a difficult situation, and CBT and GET (the only effective therapies known) outperformed APT and SMC anyway, so all criticisms are irrelevant."
I do not think they deserve much slack. The redefined recovery falls far short of their original conceptualization of it, does not include what many patients would deem to be important, and is contradicted by a bunch of other more objective outcomes (eg CBT and GET are being praised as leading to recovery, while the group average in welfare and insurance payments actually increased in these groups, etc). Furthermore, the redefined recovery is based almost exclusively not on major improvements but thresholds which require almost no improvement and which either overlap with or are on the border of what was defined as "disabling fatigue". When it comes to fatigue and physical function in particular, even the weakest thresholds in the original protocol, i.e. those used for a "positive outcome", are more strict than the strictest ones used in the latest redefinition of complete "recovery". It is rather questionable to call it "comprehensive and conservative".
Valentijn said:
So thoughtful of them to put us in the "depression" section of their website.
<sarcasm>Stop hating on mental illness and perpetuating the stigma! Did you not know that depression is real too and that mind-body dualism is unhelpful? Stop denying your psychological problems, how can you recover from a problem without first acknowledging it?</sarcasm>
Firestormm said:
It could be argued by others outside of PACE that it was less effective than hoped because the model was wrong, not the principal behind the therapies themselves.
Please elaborate the differences between the principle and the model.
I do have an open question to all you other "spicy" recalcitrants
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What would the methodological requirements be for a trial on CBT/GET in order for it to be respected and lead to a reconsideration for the role of these therapies?
I guess that the answers will relate to using case definitions which better reflect them, stricter definitions for improvement and recovery based on actual healthy norms, consideration for other measures (employment, welfare, 6MWD, exercise test, welfare, actometer, etc), adequately defining safety, even designed and conducted and overseen by an independent authority which has not built their careers on CBT and GET (due to the lack of trust, and concerns about spin?).