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It is not just about the dangers of refeeding syndrome.
It is also about what is required for our body's enzymes to even work. Think of your body as a factory full of various machine systems. In order to start the machines usually two or more keys are needed to start with. You can look up enzyme database research to see which enzymes require what factors and co-factors to be utilized. Without all the required factors, it simply won't work. (Words that end in -ase are frequently enzymes.)
Pyruvalte dehydrogenase is an important enzyme in a system that generates energy in many body systems and at the base cellular level. (Fatigue anyone?) This particular enzyme needs thiamine and magnesium to function. Many people have magnesium deficient diets and thiamine deficiencies caused by various things, which should be removed to prevent excretion (such as alcohol...) Without magnesium onboard, you can add all the thiamine in various forms that you like and the enzyme simply won't work.
If you look up common nutrient deficiencies you will find that magnesium is very often deficient in the population at large and many enzymes require it, thus this may be a key to many chronic diseases.
It's about restoring your levels of required nutrients in order to function. First you need to figure out where you might be deficient and why. Fix those problems that are causing nutrient loss and find a source of the nutrients that your body can utilize in a safe way.
Active forms of vitamins can be dangerous in too large amounts because it sends the rickety machinery into overdrive and crash. Sometimes very little can send a person into crash. (For example, Methylfolate is famous in these forums for putting people on the floor wondering if they will survive.) Thiamine and it's derivatives appear to be less dangerous...but again the energy given might stress out another weak part of the body?
Infections require a lot of work by the body to fight and thus the body may end up needing more nutrients. While the body is an amazing healing machine, it cannot work without required nutrients. Some of us may have needs for particular types or forms of nutrients that others don't require.
If you have a normal healthy digestive system consuming nutrients through good healthy food is wonderful. The gut is absolutely amazing in that it will try to protect you from too much of something - our bowels will loosen or totally and violently flush. Think of milk of magnesia: too much of magnesium at once causes the bowels to loosen and so it is sold to do that.
We must always remember that consumption does not equal absorption -even with supplements. If your gut is failing or perturbed, you may not absorb nutrients either in foods or in oral supplements, and might need to consider sub-lingual (under the tongue) or transdermal (through the skin by lotion) application as absorption techniques. IVs are another approach but can stress out the body when too much or too little of the right or wrong stuff is given. Once it's in the body it may be difficult to get rid of. These methods bypass the safety systems of the gut to dump out what you shouldn't have at the moment or what may be dangerous, like a pathogen.
Unfortunately once a nutrient deficiency gets massive and critical, it is hard to replete without some form of supplementation. Finding out what one needs can be a marathon. It's not just about energy. We've all probably tried caffeine till the body malfunctioned. It needs what it needs. Wish it would tell me in English but instead it just keeps cursing me with a myriad forms of malaise and pain as it shuts me down.
This thread seems to be our attempt at figuring it out and everyone is unique. It seems many of us are experimenting with some combination of lipid soluble Thiamine (aka allithiamine, lipothiamine, benfotiamine, fursultiamine and/or sulbutiamine). Quality B-complex, Multi, Magnesium, other electrolytes, and nutrients may be needed to avoid refeeding syndrome. This thread is a good read with a lot of very smart people contributing. It's worth a read when you have time and energy.
It is not just about the dangers of refeeding syndrome.
It is also about what is required for our body's enzymes to even work. Think of your body as a factory full of various machine systems. In order to start the machines usually two or more keys are needed to start with. You can look up enzyme database research to see which enzymes require what factors and co-factors to be utilized. Without all the required factors, it simply won't work. (Words that end in -ase are frequently enzymes.)
Pyruvalte dehydrogenase is an important enzyme in a system that generates energy in many body systems and at the base cellular level. (Fatigue anyone?) This particular enzyme needs thiamine and magnesium to function. Many people have magnesium deficient diets and thiamine deficiencies caused by various things, which should be removed to prevent excretion (such as alcohol...) Without magnesium onboard, you can add all the thiamine in various forms that you like and the enzyme simply won't work.
If you look up common nutrient deficiencies you will find that magnesium is very often deficient in the population at large and many enzymes require it, thus this may be a key to many chronic diseases.
It's about restoring your levels of required nutrients in order to function. First you need to figure out where you might be deficient and why. Fix those problems that are causing nutrient loss and find a source of the nutrients that your body can utilize in a safe way.
Active forms of vitamins can be dangerous in too large amounts because it sends the rickety machinery into overdrive and crash. Sometimes very little can send a person into crash. (For example, Methylfolate is famous in these forums for putting people on the floor wondering if they will survive.) Thiamine and it's derivatives appear to be less dangerous...but again the energy given might stress out another weak part of the body?
Infections require a lot of work by the body to fight and thus the body may end up needing more nutrients. While the body is an amazing healing machine, it cannot work without required nutrients. Some of us may have needs for particular types or forms of nutrients that others don't require.
If you have a normal healthy digestive system consuming nutrients through good healthy food is wonderful. The gut is absolutely amazing in that it will try to protect you from too much of something - our bowels will loosen or totally and violently flush. Think of milk of magnesia: too much of magnesium at once causes the bowels to loosen and so it is sold to do that.
We must always remember that consumption does not equal absorption -even with supplements. If your gut is failing or perturbed, you may not absorb nutrients either in foods or in oral supplements, and might need to consider sub-lingual (under the tongue) or transdermal (through the skin by lotion) application as absorption techniques. IVs are another approach but can stress out the body when too much or too little of the right or wrong stuff is given. Once it's in the body it may be difficult to get rid of. These methods bypass the safety systems of the gut to dump out what you shouldn't have at the moment or what may be dangerous, like a pathogen.
Unfortunately once a nutrient deficiency gets massive and critical, it is hard to replete without some form of supplementation. Finding out what one needs can be a marathon. It's not just about energy. We've all probably tried caffeine till the body malfunctioned. It needs what it needs. Wish it would tell me in English but instead it just keeps cursing me with a myriad forms of malaise and pain as it shuts me down.