POLL: Do you have tenderness at Perrin's point on your left breast (diagnostic for ME/CFS)?

Do you have soreness or tenderness when you press into Perrin's point on your left breast?


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they stimulate flow in the wrong direction
the lymph seems like a great mystery. How it could even flow backwards is: well hard to fathom. I understand some basic anatomy of the vascular system.

maybe should read up on this. Plus I think my Qi can flow backwards, too!
 

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I went to an osteopath and it was sore at Perrin's point. Previously I had tried to find it myself but I got the spot wrong, so I didn't feel anything. It was more towards my armpit than I thought.
 
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Thanks so much wigglethemouse. If he is getting some improvement, why aren't the other researchers in touch with him; he seems to be on his own. The sick are more than desperate.
Related to this, does anyone else get significant PEM after say, a 30-45 minute massage, whether lymph drainage or any soft tissue massage? I did not notice this during 10 yrs of "mild" ME/CFS, but now with moderate-severe ME, 40 minutes of massage gives significant PEM - 2 full days to recover to "typical" sickness level (20/24 hrs in bed).

Edit: I mention this because it might tell us something additional about the pathophysiology. The trigger for PEM does not require obvious physical (motor), sensory, or psychological energy. But, perhaps pressure on soft tissue creates chemical disequilibrium, so ATP is required for healing/restoration (?)
 
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Related to this, does anyone else get significant PEM after say, a 30-45 minute massage, whether lymph drainage or any soft tissue massage?
I have indeed noticed this, and also found it notable.

The trigger for PEM does not require obvious physical (motor), sensory, or psychological energy.
The sensory stimulation may not seem obvious because it is not one of the 5 common senses. But nerves can be specialized to sense much more than just the 5 common senses. Nerves in muscle tissue can sense anything from extracellular ATP due to micro-tears in the muscle, to inflammatory cytokines released in reparative macrophage infiltration of muscle tissue. Which may or may not be relevant to the ultimate pathophysiology.