So as not to clog the MEGA thread I've answered this here:
An alternative model for understanding the PACE issue. ~
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Your analogy is quite good. It shows what I believe is flawed and fraud.
EDIT: Quoting original source of analogy, in case link gets broken or something.
I give my brother £5. In his absence I go into his room and place the money onto his desk. My brother, however, is a liar. He comes to me. What lies could he choose to tell?
He could lie about unrelated things and entirely ignore my gift.
Alternatively my brother could claim not to have received my gift and in response, I might choose to re-make it. This would be to his benefit for he would receive twice the amount I intended.
But instead my brother comes to me irate. He tells me that I stole £5 from him. If I am bullied into agreement I may end up paying the original gift, another £5 to re-make it and a further £5 to make up for the money I apparently stole.
After a number of similar instances I start to dispute his version of events and we argue. My brother tells me he has an old film camera above his desk. It takes a picture every couple of seconds: We have a means to prove who is lying and who is telling the truth.
I am content, for I know I am telling the truth and I know my brother's story will soon be exposed as either flawed or fraud.
I hold the strip of film up to the light. The images run side to side from left to right. In the first you clearly can see my hand, holding a £5 pound note. In the next I am putting the money onto his desk and in the final image I withdraw, as I should, empty-handed.
"There! Do you see?!"
But slowly the true horror of the situation reveals itself.
From his side of the filmstrip, from his left to his right, my hand in the first frame is seen to be empty, then in the next it is seen to be taking the £5 note and in the final frame it makes off with it: Bold as brass!
The order of events in time has changed. From his side of the filmstrip, my gift looks like a theft.
Neither of us can use this filmstrip to prove to you the reader, that we are the brother who tells the truth.
The problem with you and your brother's situation is that no open peer review is undertaken. If it had, then someone sufficiently knowledgeable would point out that film has an emulsion side, and writing on it, so in fact there is no ambiguity what sequence the shots were taken in. Even more expert, forensic analysis might be able to find further evidence, if only the data were available for analysis.
Up to this point, both you and your brother are simply victims of naivety. Suppose however, your brother knows about film emulsion and the writing on it, and is fully aware that he is deceiving and manipulating you. You in your turn sense something must be going on here (you, after all,
know what the truth is). So you ask for the film, so someone more expert than you can peer review it for you. But your brother fights that option tooth and nail, knowing it would be his undoing.
During all this your brother has motivated (choreographed if you like) others to treat you with suspicion, and to try and 'educate' you into being more honest. It has cost you dear.
Eventually, you, with the help of others, manage to get the film, and your brother's shenanigans are exposed. He nonetheless still insists his version of events is right. Public opinion still remains 'stuck' on his side.
I believe this is where we are with PACE.
I appreciate, and respect, you have your perception of PACE, but I cannot agree with it.