Long-term daily mHBOT and full recoveries w/ ongoing maintenance

[Learner1]

I am not understanding this:

HBOT was not successful in killing my chlamydia pneumonia. Then, after oral azithromycin also failed, my ME/CFS specialist prescribed four months of 3 days a week IV azithromycin, doxycycline, and rifampin, which finally was successful.

 

[Hip]

They are better than using just inhaled oxygen. The pressure helps to push the oxygen further into the tissues, getting more benefit. Interestingly, there was a study at the VA hospital in New Orleans where they used h-bot chambers with and without oxygen, and they found that the patients in the pressurized chambers without added oxygen improved from baseline, so they had to discontinue and rethink their study. The message was that the pressure helps, and that the oxygen has an additional beneficial effect.

You can increase the partial pressure of oxygen in two ways: (1) by increasing the oxygen concentration in the the air, and (2) by increasing the overall pressure of the air inside a hyperbaric chamber.

So even if you breathe normal air inside a HBOT chamber, you are increasing the partial pressure of oxygen.

And if you breathe higher than normal concentrations of oxygen (eg 100% oxygen) at normal atmospheric pressure, outside of any chamber, you are also increasing the partial pressure of oxygen.

The higher the partial pressure of oxygen, the more oxygen is dissolved in the water of the blood.


So even a HBOT chamber in which people breathe ordinary air is going to have a higher partial pressure of oxygen.



It's possible increased ambient pressure might have some health effects unrelated to oxygen, and maybe that's why soft HBOT chambers have benefits.

 

[Hip]

I am not understanding this:

1 atmosphere of pressure is equal to 14.7 psi. That's the conversion.

So if you are in a HBOT chamber pressurized to 2 atmospheres, the pressure inside will be 2 * 14.7 = 29.4 psi.

 

[gerard]

This is approx.
1.3 ATA - 4.2psi - 9.7 water depth
1.4 ATA - 5.9psi - 13.6 water depth
1.5 ATA - 7.4psi - 17.0 water depth

For me HBOT allows me to tolerate antibiotic treatment and aids in cellular energy and repair.

Chlamydia Pneumonia is primary/causal for some with CFS. The research at Vanderbilt shows it takes years for these patients to clear this type of primary systematic infection with antibiotics.

 

[Learner1]

Chlamydia Pneumonia is primary/causal for some with CFS. The research at Vanderbilt shows it takes years for these patients to clear this type of primary systematic infection with antibiotics.

Once I got the triple antibiotic regimen by IV, it was gone, finally, in 4 months. My ME/CFS specialist checked with four other doctors before coming up with my protocol.

 

[gerard]

Once I got the triple antibiotic regimen by IV, it was gone, finally, in 4 months. My ME/CFS specialist checked with four other doctors before coming up with my protocol.

Just because one has a CPN infection does not mean it is primary and causal, it can be secondary.

Are you familiar with Charles Stratton's CPN research at Vanderbilt? He stated the majority of his CFS patients could not tolerate the die off of antibiotics. Eventually it was determined that the bactericidal antibiotic Metronidazole would have to be pulsed only 5 days every month so patients could tolerate the die off. These patients have the bone marrow, multiple organs and tissues infected - it is an infection on a massive scale taking years to clear.

 

[junkcrap50]

Does anyone with a soft chamber know if there’s any way you could modify the pressure release in order to obtain slightly higher pressures around 1.5atm?

Almost all soft shell chambers are rated for 1.5atm even if they aren’t sold in the US so operating at that pressure wouldnt cause any issue with the chamber.

I can’t imagine it would be that hard to modify a pressure release if you really wanted to but haven’t seen one of the soft chambers in person either.

If that might be possible, are there any brands it might be easier with?

Yes. All you have to do is replace the pressure relief valve that come in all the chambers. They valves just screw off and on. But the higher pressures are only marginally higher: 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 ATA. I don't believe I've seen higher than 1.6. In fact, some HBOT sellers also offer these's valves for sale too. However, since they're sort of "illegal", they don't really advertise they offer higher pressure valves. But they're not too hard to find if you search online.

But if you want to increase you oxygen, then adding supplemental oxygen and breathing 100% oxygen at 1.3 would be better and easier.

 

[Learner1]

So even a HBOT chamber in which people breathe ordinary air is going to have a higher partial pressure of oxygen.



It's possible increased ambient pressure might have some health effects unrelated to oxygen, and maybe that's why soft HBOT chambers have benefits.

That's what they found in the Veterans Administration study in New Orleans that Dr Hirsch did.

Just because one has a CPN infection does not mean it is primary and causal, it can be secondary.

Are you familiar with Charles Stratton's CPN research at Vanderbilt? He stated the majority of his CFS patients could not tolerate the die off of antibiotics. Eventually it was determined that the bactericidal antibiotic Metronidazole would have to be pulsed only 5 days every month so patients could tolerate the die off. These patients have the bone marrow, multiple organs and tissues infected - it is an infection on a massive scale taking years to clear.

Yes I am, read the cpn website cover to cover. His research is outdated, and his protocol is outdated, and my doctor consulted with top experts before prescribing my protocol which worked. More people's guts got damaged from Stratton's protocols than got helped. I'm still digging my way out of the issues I had with the fewer antibiotics I have, but after years of them, people's guts are a mess.

 

[Swim15]

I have a used Newtown chamber out of warranty - I replaced the valves and am treating at 6 psi from 4.2 psi.
I also breath from a rebreather bag(no mask) to get full oxygen concentrator utilization.
The Newtown chamber was tested many cycles at 7psi from the factory - also called a sales rep and stated she had never seen a structural failure, only zipper failures from bad zippers or incorrect zipper use.
I am willing to "eat" a few chambers than continue with this infection(chlamydia pneumoniae).

I gotcha and thank you!

As far as previous comments, the chambers have pressure gauges so if you’re tampering with them, you can easily see the pressure so it doesn’t exceed 1.5ata/7psi.

On that note, I found a chamber that comes with a 1.5ata valve in the US so I think I’m just gonna go with that most likely.

I’ll also be breathing oxygen from a concentrator or a tank directly from a mask so you’ll be getting ~95% oxygen at 1.5atm which equates to 7x oxygen intake compared to sea level.

In addition to that, I’ll be using ITPP until I run out which could theoretically increase hemoglobin O2 release by another 40-50% and then will be using ozone and IV nutrients on top of that which will be minority helpful.

 

[Learner1]

IV Nutrients immediately preceding getting into the h-bot is the most effective. Helps push the nutrients into your tissues where they can be used for good

 

[Sushi]

IV Nutrients immediately preceding getting into the h-bot is the most effective. Helps push the nutrients into your tissues where they can be used

Here is a related question. mHBOT "brought out" old infections in my sinuses, ear, and eustation tube and the drainage caused swollen lymph nodes in my neck. It got so bad that I have had to start antibiobics. My plan was to finish the antibiotics before going back into the chamber so as not to overwhelm the detox channels again, but could mHBOT rather increase the effect of the ORAL antibiotics?

 

[Swim15]

Here is a related question. mHBOT "brought out" old infections in my sinuses, ear, and eustation tube and the drainage caused swollen lymph nodes in my neck. It got so bad that I have had to start antibiobics. My plan was to finish the antibiotics before going back into the chamber so as not to overwhelm the detox channels again, but could mHBOT rather increase the effect of the ORAL antibiotics?

Of course. Oxygen in and of itself is, broadly, antiviral and antibacterial in the context of anaerobes.

That said, with how much antibiotics damage the gut, I wouldn’t take them unless it was life or death. Take a break from the HBOT and then resume at a lower level once your body clears things

 

[Learner1]

Here is a related question. mHBOT "brought out" old infections in my sinuses, ear, and eustation tube and the drainage caused swollen lymph nodes in my neck. It got so bad that I have had to start antibiobics. My plan was to finish the antibiotics before going back into the chamber so as not to overwhelm the detox channels again, but could mHBOT rather increase the effect of the ORAL antibiotics?

Wondering If the oxygen was feeding some sort of aerobic species of bacteria. I would say that would be a conversation between you and your doctor.

From my recollection, I started h-bot in late 2016, Maybe a month before I started oral antibiotics. I believe my naturopath thought that they would enhance each other. I did the oral antibiotics, just azithromycin, for 2 months, then two months after I stopped the infections were active as ever. That's about when I started seeing my specialist, who thought the IV azithromycin my naturopath was proposing was too timid, and that's when, after consulting with the four other experts, he started me on the triple antibiotic IV protocol, which worked. I was doing h-bot 3 days a week and 70-minute sessions throughout all of this.

 

[Learner1]

Of course. Oxygen in and of itself is, broadly, antiviral and antibacterial in the context of anaerobes.

That said, with how much antibiotics damage the gut, I wouldn’t take them unless it was life or death. Take a break from the HBOT and then resume at a lower level once your body clears things

I hear you, even the IV antibiotics damaged my gut. However I had both chlamydia and mycoplasma pneumonias and they were slowly destroying me, so if you say life or death, it was a slow death, and worth getting rid of, because my energy increased afterwards. I have slowly been able to improve my gut over time, though I do have an oxalate problem that I didn't have before the antibiotics. But the h-bot and the botanical, and ozone and UVBI didn't kill the buggers, so I feel is worth it. And I piddled around long enough before I dove into the antibiotics. Even my naturopath shook his head and prescribed them because we tried along list of all the happy healthy stuff. Part of it was that my immune system wasn't working very well, and I had IVIG which also helped. To summarize, I think h-bot is a great treatment, especially with nutrients, but it's not up to curing an entrenched chlamydia pneumonia infection.

 

[Sushi]

Of course. Oxygen in and of itself is, broadly, antiviral and antibacterial in the context of anaerobes.

That said, with how much antibiotics damage the gut, I wouldn’t take them unless it was life or death. Take a break from the HBOT and then resume at a lower level once your body clears things

That was my plan but after 3 weeks the infection was just gaining speed even with a really strict diet, detox strategies and supplements etc. I got really sick and since the mHBOT exacerbated all the symptoms, I didn't know when or if I'd be able to get back in again so I weighed things and decided to try to knock out the acute infection with antibiotics and then work long term on it with mHBOT.

 

[Wayne]

I'm finding this conversation fairly fascinating, especially in light of my recent discovery that EMFs have likely been greatly exacerbating all my ME/CFS, Lyme, Post Concussion Syndrome, etc. symptoms for many years. I'd long heard EMFs can greatly stimulate Lyme bacteria growth, so my recent experiences of using a Me-Chi device to better protect myself from EMFs fits in with my feeling much better since using this device.

 

[used_to_race]

I wanted to wake this thread up again real quick. I posted back in September of last year that I was feeling fairly symptomatic again. This was after 4-5 months of feeling 90-95% recovered. I'd like to report that I've again been feeling 90-95% recovered since probably early January of this year. One thing that really helped while I was still having tachycardia every day was propranolol. Recently, though, I haven't needed it at all.

The fact that my relapse was about 4 months long might be a clue about what the underlying cause was, but I can only guess. Happy to be back to (relatively) normal with the same approach of near-daily mHBOT, plaquenil, fludrocortisone, and the occasional adderall when I need to really study.

 

[patient.journey]

Hello everyone
Hope you are all doing well

Where can I buy a Hbot chamber to be used in my house ? And how would I know if the quality of the product is good ?

if anyone have a history In buying a This kind of chamber and he/she had the chance to go through the choices, please share some information it with us

regards,

 

[Learner1]

In general, you need a doctor's prescription. The affordable ones for home use look like a large duffle bag hung from a PVC frame and provide 1.3-1.4atm of pressure. They gave windows you can see out of and a thin mattress to lie in inside. Vitaerus and Sea to Sea are 2 brands. There are places catering to scuba divers and some aimed at health.

Pricing runs from $5-15,000 new, and here is a market for used ones. They can also be rented for several hundred dollars a month. The zippers are the point of failure. They can be replaced but it's not easy. Make sure you inspect before buying or ensure you have a warran or insurance. You'll also need an air concentrator, and a mask.

 

[gerard]

You can get prescription from a chiropractor - the place I purchased from coordinated with a chiro.
Bought a Newtowne chamber new a couple years ago. I was looking to buy used but many had repairs already - almost every Oxyhealth chamber I called on had a window or zipper repair. Summit to sea is another brand.
I'm really pushing my Newtowne at 6.4 psi - pretty close to the "golden standard 7psi" for brain/nervous system repair and it's still holding up.