This is entirely non-science based, but my sense is that the gut stuff is not so much causative, as
evidence of, or the result of, the immune/nervous system gone haywire--which then becomes a contributing factor to the ongoing chronicness of the disease and its debilitating effects. Kind of like a feedback loop.
I say this purely from observation of my own experience. After a childhood of heavy anibiotic use, and then pre-ME several years of terrible recurring URI's that would last and last and get worse each time, the final blow that put me over the edge to ME Dx was a severe bout of giardia that lasted for months as I tried to slam it with really strong herbal treatments, until I gave in and knocked it more or less out with Tindamax. My gut has never been the same, and has gone through many phases both symptomatically, and with varying results from stool tests over time.
What you are saying makes perfect sense, Rich; yet the riddle remains of HOW to address the gut issues. It seems like something I'm always working on, but I only get occasional relief, for short periods. Blood work always shows a leaky-gutty situation, and stool tests always show something (different each time) though never anything really big. Over time I've had the giardia, whipworms, intestinal strep, mild colitis, zero beneficial flora, yeast overgrowth, some other kind of overgrowth I can't think of now (maybe B. hominis?) and all the usual things we all go through. The bloating is now permanent.
All this to say, there really seems to be nothing to do to address the situation. I can be pretty certain after the years of chronic full-blown yeast overgrowth, the insane heavy metal levels, and all the other crap going on in there, that there is a nice intelligent network of biofilms going on in there. There does not seem to be a clear path for dealing with that--lots of theories, yes, but nothing that really does the trick yet.
Which may lead back to my original thought that the gut stuff is downstream of the neuroimmune situation, or in a feedback loop with it.
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evidence of, or the result of, the immune/nervous system gone haywire--which then becomes a contributing factor to the ongoing chronicness of the disease and its debilitating effects. Kind of like a feedback loop.
I say this purely from observation of my own experience. After a childhood of heavy anibiotic use, and then pre-ME several years of terrible recurring URI's that would last and last and get worse each time, the final blow that put me over the edge to ME Dx was a severe bout of giardia that lasted for months as I tried to slam it with really strong herbal treatments, until I gave in and knocked it more or less out with Tindamax. My gut has never been the same, and has gone through many phases both symptomatically, and with varying results from stool tests over time.
What you are saying makes perfect sense, Rich; yet the riddle remains of HOW to address the gut issues. It seems like something I'm always working on, but I only get occasional relief, for short periods. Blood work always shows a leaky-gutty situation, and stool tests always show something (different each time) though never anything really big. Over time I've had the giardia, whipworms, intestinal strep, mild colitis, zero beneficial flora, yeast overgrowth, some other kind of overgrowth I can't think of now (maybe B. hominis?) and all the usual things we all go through. The bloating is now permanent.
All this to say, there really seems to be nothing to do to address the situation. I can be pretty certain after the years of chronic full-blown yeast overgrowth, the insane heavy metal levels, and all the other crap going on in there, that there is a nice intelligent network of biofilms going on in there. There does not seem to be a clear path for dealing with that--lots of theories, yes, but nothing that really does the trick yet.
Which may lead back to my original thought that the gut stuff is downstream of the neuroimmune situation, or in a feedback loop with it.
2 from someone with dubious currency