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Hip

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Sorry to hear this @Hip. That is bad news indeed. Will you not be able to order online then?

Only if I order before April 6th. After that it will be illegal.

Though I heard that the transhumanists in the UK are trying to kick up a fuss about including nootropics in the ban. The law was intended to stop legal highs. Nootropics don't get you "high", they just increase cognitive abilities, like say caffeine does. The UK Conservative Party (currently in power) never had much intelligence in these sort of areas. Perhaps the Conservative need to use smart drugs themselves, to come up with better policies.
 

panckage

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hey man - i don't think that you need 130 bpm for such sort of activity - it's too much, and just indicates that your blood pressure is too low for the job. im suffering from this too, read this topic - http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ible-implication-in-me-cfs-part-1-of-2.32218/
130bpm was for exercise bike. I don't know my heart rate for strength training. I'm not sure I understand your point. From what you posted your heart rate looks like it was averaging around 130bpm as well... Are you not following your own advice?

If I may ask your help. Do you know of any of the listed bulk suppliers that DON'T use China products
Pretty much all of them come from China. If you check here though: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/ all of the recommended vendors test the drugs and if a problem does occur they will publicly announce the issue as well as contact those who purchased the problematic product. I personally have used powdercity a number of times and have ahd a good experience with them
 

hvac14400

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130bpm was for exercise bike. I don't know my heart rate for strength training. I'm not sure I understand your point. From what you posted your heart rate looks like it was averaging around 130bpm as well... Are you not following your own advice?

i wasn't aware 130 is for the bike - that's ok for endurance training. and my point was about 130 for light resistance training as you've described it - pushups, pullups, that sort of things, for which i think is too much.
i believe that my 130 average is also too high, but i was squattin 200 and deadliftin 230 that day, which is a little more heavier work that you was doin, so in my case 130 is a little more appropriate.
maybe.
i just not found the way to bring that hr down yet.
 

panckage

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@hvac14400 I'm very jealous of your CFS level haha. In my experience the 130bpm heart rate does not seem to be related to crashes for me. For me to crash I usually have to be out a full day (eg. 7am-7pm) or do something like gor for a 15min run (heart goes upto 180bpm). It always feels awesome at the time and after, but crap the next few days are cfs hell :oops:

I'm not sure specifically why you think 130bpm is too high just for strength but not endurance... Strength is more important for me as it has allowed me to do dishes and pick things off my floor again :rofl:
 

hvac14400

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i've had problems with dishes & other trivial homework too in the past, but my cfs level improving each year constantly, coz amma tryin every damn substance i've heard of, lol.

I'm not sure specifically why you think 130bpm is too high just for strength but not endurance...

you can't use aerobic energy production for strength - not enough power. so you don't need that much oxygen anyway, why then your hearth is pumpin so much? that was my logic behind.
 

hvac14400

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am ending my first fenotropil cycle (30 days of 200mg), so quick update here - no sides, all going well.
what surpizes me most is that i began feeling short and frequent episodes of "normality", ie feeling somewhere alike my pre-illness self i guess?
this has already happened to me before on other drugs, but much rarely than now - like once in a week or two and now i experiencing this everyday.
for example while walkin on the street i may suddenly start to be able walkin like 2 times faster without any fatigue for brief period of time. or when doin some home work i can feel fatigued and that i need a break, then suddenly i feel myself pretty normal and ready to work further.
sometimes i even feel some excess of energy, despite being in a caloric deficit for the last 6 months.

it looks like something is changing inside the body, tryin to gain full control but failing for now, time after time. but this process brings the hope and confidence, that it's definitely possible to get rid of all this shyt someday. so i'll continue to use fenotropil after a month break, as per instruction.
 

cph13

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Are you referring to the phenylpiracetam suppliers in this earlier post?

You'd have to email them if you want to find out where they source their products. Do you have a specific reason for avoiding Chinese-made pharmaceuticals and supplements?
@Hip
@Hip I so apologize. I just noticed this question. My health food store person suggested this and does not buy anything from China...tainted products is his concern.
I also wanted comment on the perfect words you used to explain...well, how I feel: "The symptoms are characterized by blahness, lack of motivation, lack of interest." I say, my get up and go, GOT UP AND WENT! I've been dealing with this for sometime.
I am reading all that you've written about what has helped you with ME/CFS esp. intriqued with amisulpride. Great JOB! Thank you for sharing. This dis-ease is such a work in progress...never ending...ever changing. Happy healing Hip
 

Sherpa

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I have been in search of something to help with this terrible brain fog and horrible sleepiness and exhaustion. I am now taking Modafinil and Phenylpiracetam. I can't believe the difference it makes. Has anyone ever tried this combination before? I recommend it and it's very inexpensive. Would like to get some feedback.
I won't edit this post but instead make a correction, because some people already read it, I'm not taking Modafinil, I'm taking Adrafinil. Sorry about the mistake.

I developed Chronic Fatigue after about 7 years of using modafinil as a 'smart drug' / ADD medication. It made me think I had more energy than I did, and I used the boost to really work hard, stay up late... and burned myself out badly in the process.

I also had bad side effects with the racetams.

I think these are powerful drugs that can create a decent amount of oxidative stress. I would never take them again, personally.

I now prefer to get my energy from starches (waxy maize), fats (MCT oil / caprylic acid) antioxidants like liposomal resveratrol, astaxanthin, CoQ10 (mitoQ) and vitamins like B12 and Niagen.
 
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Tammy

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have always been active all my life until I had the Epstein Barr Virus, I believe that's when I started to have problems. Thanks for reading, I hope you will improve soon too, you deserve a break!
You know how many times I've heard people say this...(about the EBV).................yet Dr's are saying that because EBV most of the time shows up as a past infection......means that it isn't causing present problems. That is pure BS. I believe that EBV is the main culprit behind CFS as well as other herpetic viruses. I've been working on eradicating this beast for a year with herbal-anti-virals and other supplements and am getting better................this is after 20 yrs of pure hell. Progress has been slow but now I am definitely seeing the light again. If you would like me to share my protocol I would be happy to.

Blessings,

Tammy
 

Mij

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I don't know if EBV is the main culprit for CFS but several professional athletes ( tennis players) can no longer compete at the same level after a bout of mono.
 

TigerLilea

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...yet Dr's are saying that because EBV most of the time shows up as a past infection......means that it isn't causing present problems. That is pure BS. I believe that EBV is the main culprit behind CFS as well as other herpetic viruses.
Tammy
I had mono back in high school and I know quite a few people who over the years have had it also. We all recovered from it and returned to our normal energy levels. I didn't come down with CFS until about 15 years later and I don't think EBV had anything to do with my getting it.
 

Tammy

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I had mono back in high school and I know quite a few people who over the years have had it also. We all recovered from it and returned to our normal energy levels. I didn't come down with CFS until about 15 years later and I don't think EBV had anything to do with my getting it.
EBV can go dormant and come out years later due to a number of reasons...........big time stress being one. Plus their are numerous strains of EBV. You might have caught a different strain.
 

Hotch

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You know how many times I've heard people say this...(about the EBV).................yet Dr's are saying that because EBV most of the time shows up as a past infection......means that it isn't causing present problems. That is pure BS. I believe that EBV is the main culprit behind CFS as well as other herpetic viruses. I've been working on eradicating this beast for a year with herbal-anti-virals and other supplements and am getting better................this is after 20 yrs of pure hell. Progress has been slow but now I am definitely seeing the light again. If you would like me to share my protocol I would be happy to.

Blessings,

Tammy
Hi Tammy,

So pleased you are improving!! You go girl!! I would love your protocol! I have just begun valtrex 3 days ago. I have previously done oil of origano periods, which I loved and is the only thing that has helped my candida. Then Pau d'arco and olive leaf to keep candida under control. I am on many, many supplements. I love herbs and are seeing a TCM dr in 2 days. I had Valtrex in my cupboard for 2 months before deciding to use it. I prefer natural treatments but feel I need to hit EBV hard. Like you I am convinced that EBV is my main concern. I have had CFS 31 yrs now.

Cheers and thanks for sharing
 

sflorence

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EBV can go dormant and come out years later due to a number of reasons...........big time stress being one. Plus their are numerous strains of EBV. You might have caught a different strain.


My EBV tests came back negative for a current infection, could I still possible have a active EBV? My doc wont prescribe me any anti-virals because he doesn't think they will do anything.. So frustrating.

I have tested postive for a past infection of EBV.
 

Tammy

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My EBV tests came back negative for a current infection, could I still possible have a active EBV? My doc wont prescribe me any anti-virals because he doesn't think they will do anything.. So frustrating.

I have tested postive for a past infection of EBV.
Yes definitely, if you are still ill............then EBV is still at work. EBV can hide in the organs of the body.......where they still cause harm but can't be picked up on the blood tests. If your Dr won't prescribe anti-virals you can try the natural ones. These are some: Cats Claw, Licorice root, lemon balm, silver hydrosol (sovereign silver), Monolaurin, olive leaf. Zinc also critical. I take Eidon's liquid zinc sulfate.
 
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Tammy

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Hi Tammy,

So pleased you are improving!! You go girl!! I would love your protocol! I have just begun valtrex 3 days ago. I have previously done oil of origano periods, which I loved and is the only thing that has helped my candida. Then Pau d'arco and olive leaf to keep candida under control. I am on many, many supplements. I love herbs and are seeing a TCM dr in 2 days. I had Valtrex in my cupboard for 2 months before deciding to use it. I prefer natural treatments but feel I need to hit EBV hard. Like you I am convinced that EBV is my main concern. I have had CFS 31 yrs now.

Cheers and thanks for sharing
I will get back with you............hopefully this weekend. Thanks for rooting me on!
 

Chocolove

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@pdgoldinc Meth does a lot of damage to the body and recovery won't be quick. To rebuild the body perhaps the following sites may help.

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