"Facts about COVID-19": Swiss Propaganda Research Article

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BRITISH HOSPITALS #stayhome or what?

14 % non-intensive patients dead - 1 in 7 leave in coffin

50+ % dont survive british intensive care

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207903/One-SEVEN-Britons-hospitalised-coronavirus-die.html

 

[Rufous McKinney]

This interview today with Dr. Osterholm, Infectious Disease Expert in Minnesota...was perhaps the most informative thing I've seen. I believe he is- telling us facts we need to hear, which we don't want to.

High Points-

1) Testing is not a panacea and we lack the quantity of Reagent needed to: do widespread testing;

2) This is not going to end soon

3) The countries with good testing are now having second waves...reopenning problemmatic.

 

[AnnieT]

I agree, this is not going to end soon. I think a long term plan acknowledging this is needed because keeping the world on lockdown isn't going to make it all better.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I agree, this is not going to end soon. I think a long term plan acknowledging this is needed because keeping the world on lockdown isn't going to make it all better.

Well, the doctor above from Minnesota discussed a plan in Prep they are working.

And key to that plan may be- the Young go Forth. Return to the Land of the Living, Living at Risk. The old, the pre-disposed, high risk folks- continue to stay in hiding....indefinately. Because eventually almost everyone will be exposed.....and will have to come out of the other side- having made it thru or: Not.

 

[Hufsamor]

countries with good testing are now having second waves...reopenning problemmatic.

This is what we are afraid of in Norway.....what will happened to the autumn?
And at that time we will have the ordinary flue on top of the corona

 

[Rufous McKinney]

And at that time we will have the ordinary flue on top of the corona

Does it seem logical that the current Stay at Home orders....will lead to far fewer normal flu cases this season?

But next season....thats the super serious concern. My husband and I intended to sometime next year- relocate to- live foreign. This- virus creates massive uncertainty about- us being able to do that. Since we are both- vulnerable...to having complications or a bad outcome.

At some point- avoiding all this just is looking infeasible.

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

I think a long term plan acknowledging this is needed because keeping the world on lockdown isn't going to make it all better.

Yeah, but it will possibly make it all a little more manageable in terms of the stress on our medical personnel and the hospitals and ambulance services they work for and in.

As far as a plan for the long term, I'm sure outrgov't will get around to that as soon as they develop a plan for, oh, say, about 3 months ago. Failing that, a plan for now seems to be still a ways off.

 

[AnnieT]

@YippeeKi YOW !! yes of course, I wouldn't want them to look too far ahead of course

 

[Hufsamor]

......
Anybody knows how many people use to die annually from ordinary flue in New York?....

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Study on the Loss of taste and smell as an early Covid 19 symptom...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-loss-validated-covid-symptoms-patients.html

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

I wouldn't want them to look too far ahead of course

Then you won't be disappointed !!!!

 

[percyval577]

Sweden´s number of fatal cases are currently declining.
What is/was forbidden or recommended, and since when, I cite below from the Swedish wiki.

På folkhälsomyndighetens inrådan har regeringen endast genomfört följande förbudː

• Icke-medborgares inresor från icke EU/EES-länder stoppas. (17 mars 2020)
• Alla folksamlingar och sammankomster med över 500 deltagare, inklusive kultur- och idrottsevenemang, förbjuds tills vidare. (11 mars 2020)[39] Förbudet utsträcktes vid ett senare regeringssammanträde till att omfatta alla allmänna sammankomster över 50 personer. (27 mars 2020)[40]
• På restauranger och barer tillåts enbart bordsservering. (24 mars) [41] allowed only when having table service
• Besökrestriktioner på sjukhus har införts av landsting och i äldrevården av vissa kommuner. Nationellt besöksförbud i äldrevården infördes av regeringen den 31 mars 2020.[42]visiting hospitals restricted in some areas, forbidden in care homes

Därutöver har en rad rekommendationer, och beslut som underlättar efterföljandet av dessa, meddelats av olika myndigheter och regeringen:

• Icke-nödvändiga resor avråds till delar av Kina (26 januari, 17 februari),[43] Iran (3 mars), Italien (6 mars) och överhuvudtaget utomlands (14 mars). Personer som återvänder från dessa länder har fått spendera två veckor i frivillig karantän i hemmet, med smittbärarpenning.[44] Icke-nödvändiga helgresor och andra resor inom Sverige avråds (19 mars).[45]
• Personer även med minimala symptom på vad som kan vara covid-19 rekommenderas att stanna hemma. Karensdagen avskaffas tillfälligt för att säkerställa att personer som känner sig lite sjuka stannar hemma från arbetet. Tiden man kan sjukskriva sig utan läkarintyg förlängs från 7 till 14 dagar (11 mars 2020).[46]
• Personer som är över 70 år gamla rekommenderas att stanna hemma, men kan ta promenader på avstånd från andra. Arbetsgivare i synnerhet i Stockholm rekommenderas att uppmana sina anställda att om möjligt arbeta från hemmet.(16 mars)[47]
• Distansundervisning rekommenderas för gymnasier, komvux, yrkeshögskolor, högskolor och universitet. (18 mars)[48] Skolor får möjlighet att förlänga terminen. Högskoleprovet i april ställs in (13 mars)[49] liksom nationella prov vårterminen 2020. (23 mars)[50]

What could this say, given that there isn´t that much restriction?
I think:

• there could be another parameter determining the illness (e.g. air pollution)
• there is only a certain number of susceptible persons, which happens to be low in Sweden, but to be high in some other countries, this year or so.
• numbers are wrong
• to make a lockdown is wrong, at least under certain - though unknown - circumstances, and instead a halfway free (= a slightly diminshed) movement helps

 

[IThinkImTurningJapanese]

Anybody knows how many people use to die annually from ordinary flue in New York?....

As NYC Nears 1,000 COVID-19 Deaths, How Does Pandemic Compare to Typical Flu Season?

New York had 4,749 deaths as a result of influenza and pneumonia in 2018, according to the Centers for Disease Control (statistics for 2019 were not available). The New York City Department of Health said that roughly 2,000 of those deaths happen within the five boroughs every year.

If divided equally over the course of a year, slightly under 400 New Yorkers died each month in 2018 from the flu or pneumonia, around 167 of whom were in the city. It is consistently one of the top five causes of death in the state and NYC.

Comparatively, if the number of New Yorkers who died as a result of COVID-19 in March was multiplied over the course of a year, the state could see more than 18,000 people die as a result — making it the third-leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer, and well ahead of any other cause.

 

[Hufsamor]

numbers are wrong

I just read an article where both Swedish and Norwegian experts claimed that Sweden are counting their corona deaths more strictly than anyone. Including Norway. Meaning the Norwegian numbers of corona deaths might be a tiny bit on the lower end, while the Swedish are more likely a tiny bit to high or as exact as can be.

Most of the Swedish deaths are in institutions in Stockholm area. Meaning the death rate would be lower if the institutions was better protected.
They are not at all to happy about the deaths in the institutions, thinking that is their main problem. (By "they" I mean the Swedish doctor (with a title I can't translate) Anders Tengel. He is the mastermind behind the Swedish strategy.)
Both Norwegian and Swedish doctors claims that corona in Norway have mostly effected the younger ones, but it have hitted harder among the elderly in Sweden.

 

[pamojja]

Sweden´s number of fatal cases are currently declining.

Actually if one checks the wikipedia pages of coronavirus pandemic, almost all countries which do have a dedictated cart for daily deaths do already show declines. Many at the moment are updating and not available, but those that are I add below in the order of first covid death:

(oops, just found out one can only attach 8 pictures per post, therefore attach only those with most severity)

China:

France:

Iran:

Italy:

US:

Switzerland:

UK:

 

[pamojja]

Netherlands:

Belgium:

Sweden:

Poland:

Denmark:

Portugal:

Mexico:

Brazil:

I did however try to test Prov. Wittkovskis observation from 35 years as an epidemiologst, that respiratory disease epidemics would always decline naturally. And if strict lockdown would have been effective than it would have to show in a marked decline 17 days after. Since it takes in average 17 days from infection to death (for those who indeed become that severe, since the majority don't experience any symptoms anyway).

I could identify 25 countries with lockdown and daily deaths plateauing, in average after 14 days.
On the opposite site could identify 6 countries where no information about lockdown has been puplished.

The difference from the first covid-death untill deaths plateaued between these 2 groups was 30 days with lockdown, and 33 days without lockdown.

That in itself isn't a significant difference at all. Especially since it's a comparison of 25 to only 6 very disparate countries.

Also at this point it simply can not be known, if regions now with lower deaths wont experience a much worse second peak. Especially with desparate (ie. strict lockdown, instead of sensible meassures shown to work already for example in Taiwan, South Korea, Hongkong and Japan) attemps to flatten the curve.

 

[pamojja]

why?

Never in history have all medium and small size business been so much indebded by goverment dicree. So many become unemployed. So much gain made by big corporations for a natural occuring event occuring year after year in human history. And nobody ever cared. I would say, follow the money.

 

[pamojja]

what is with all those countries in between ?
thailand - malaysia ...

I'm not excluding any. Meanwhile some graphs have been updated and online again.

Phillipines (which had the first covid-death right after China):

Spain (after Phillipines and Hongkong):

South Korea (after Iran):

Thailand (after USA, San Marino and Austrialia):

Iraq (after Thailand and Slovenia):

Argentina (right after Netherlands):

Germany (after Argentina):

Indonesia (after Germany and Canada):

 

[pamojja]

Greece (after Poland):

Azerbaijan (after Greece and Algeria):

Peru (after Azerbaijan and Luxembourg):

Ukraine (after Peru):

Hungary (after Portugal):

Malaysia (after Mexico):

Pakistan (after Turkey):

India (after Pakistan):

India with its until now 358 covid death is at about 0.01% of its usual influenza and pneumonia deaths in the same time-period since March 17th. Modi might have been a good Chai-walla in his youth. But as prime minister he fails his country badly with basic calculus.

 

[percyval577]

Sweden might actually have a delay in reporting due to easter, though the trend I a bit boldly announced (in view of eastern) doesn´t seem to change,

Today there are as high as 114 new deaths reported so far. If one divides this by five we would have 23 deaths to add to each of the last four days (which indeed does not change the decline, so far).


I couldn´t see any correction in other countries either (ME brain though right now), so the tendency seems to hold.