"Facts about COVID-19": Swiss Propaganda Research Article

[roller]

"spending money" is actually misleading, imo.
when the government spends money, its for building streets (workers get paid, the street is there), hospitals, schools, supporting enterprises ...
it should be an "investment". spending money, and getting something in return. producing something. adding value.

the money currently "spent" is for life support, sort of.
nothing in return. no investment.

if they dont have it, they must print it?
whatever, in any case it may cause an inflation, when i understand right.
thats nothing short lived. this will linger and hinder for years many, perhaps...

all that your society economically achieved, is now thrown under the bus.

 

[Wayne]

Last I new it was billions but that was a day or to ago.

@ljimbo423 -- I keep hearing all kinds of figures, proposals and projections. Here's how I add it up:

1 Trillion (current annual deficit)
2.2 T - First "stimulus" package.
.5 - 1 T - Next installment
1 T - Normal extra expenditures during a deep recession
1 T - Reduced tax revenues
2 T+ - Next round of "continuing income" for people and small businesses
1 T+ - New rounds of corporate pigs lining up at the trough

My best guess is we're looking at a 2020 deficit of close to $10 T. Kinda begins to look like "funny money" after a while. I don't think anybody knows how this is all going to play out in global finances, especially since many of the countries of the world will be unable to service trillions more in debt.

 

[roller]

not long ago, the online gambling staff was at least "more" legalised in germany.

dont these places have to see a full lock down?

in good times, its ok to be addicted or to gamble.

in bad times, in crisis, in social distancing, in financial worries, it attracts many more desperate and vulnerable people.
people, that were previously not desperate or vulnerable.

online gambling in crisis may bring people to their worst.
it may dig the worst traits out of many.

why not lock down this destructive trash.
like online casinos and similars.

why doesnt this caring medical profession demand this?

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

But I think we might well avoid lockdowns entirely if we followed the Asian model of pandemic control, which involves universal use of face masks for everyone, and well-organized testing and contact tracing to quash any mini-outbreaks.

That would have been a great response some three months ago. It's too lat enow, the virus is too widespread and we still don't know the extent of that ....

Masks, good testing and contact tracing seems like the best way to go.

Again, yes, if it were January, even early February of this year ..... we're in late-April and like a gangrenous limb, the damage is already profoundly severe.

I'm frankly terrified of the economic repercussions of our belated attempts to deal with this, even more so than of the COVID itself, which is bad enough. I'm not sure that the answer is .... worse, neither is anybody in charge ....

Are they talking about spending trillions more? Last I new it was billions but that was a day or two ago.

No, I think you're right. It's billions, not trillions, at least per the last thing I read ..... For one thing, the early tax gift to the already repugantly rich has put a severe dent in this nation's ability to respond.... and for another, we're already late to that game, too ...

 

[Rufous McKinney]

If these figures are correct they are staggering.

So where would: all this COVID exposure have come from and when? If it- did in fact emerge last fall in Oct/Nov out of Wuhan- HOW'd all this exposure happen? and Could the virus have- already morphed?...like now its more lethal than- last fall?

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

if they dont have it, they must print it?
whatever, in any case it may cause an inflation, when i understand right.
thats nothing short lived. this will linger and hinder for years many, perhaps...

I agree. Its why Ive been so depressed. There's always an end to a pandemic, however widespread and devastating while it endures, but the economic dislocation and damage it does can linger for ..... well, the last one (not counting the recession of '08) continued for some 11 years, and was only reversed by a massive world war ....

all that your society economically achieved, is now thrown under the bus.

It makes me want to weep. Literally. Not just in my head.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

which involves universal use of face masks for everyone, and well-organized testing and contact tracing to quash any mini-outbreaks.

What I wonder about is assuming our outbreaks are in fact: Mini Outbreaks.

What if: it is in fact Pandora out of the box. I don't see how we are putting it back inside that box.

People assume testing will- identify a few sick people/carriers that we can isolate. But its months- months-of spreading out.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Again, yes, if it were January, even early February of this year ..... we're in late-April and like a gangrenous limb, the damage is already profoundly severe.

Thats- I am afraid close to what I am thinking.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

It's too lat now, the virus is too widespread

Yup

 

[Wayne]

the virus is too widespread ....

@YippeeKi YOW !! -- As they say, elections have consequences.

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

What I wonder about is assuming our outbreaks are in fact: Mini Outbreaks.

By what metric are our COVID outbreaks 'mini'?

This morning's count:

• US .... Cases: 819,587 .... Deaths: 43,796
• GLOBAL ..... Cases: 2,544,769 ..... Deaths: 175,621

 

[Rufous McKinney]

When there were 15, soon to be Zero- maybe that moment contained a Mini Outbreak.

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

As they say, elections have consequences.

Don't I know it ..... which is why I swallowed, only slightly hard, and voted for someone other than the one we got ....

To quote HL Mencken:

"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last,
and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron"​

 

[Wayne]

Makes me grateful I regularly use DMSO for pain and inflammation, as it's also a great anti-clotting agent.

Why are so many COVID-19 patients also seeing blood clots?
Health experts have been confounded by this latest trend.
April 20, 2020, 3:03 AM
9 min read

In Spain, among the hardest-hit nations, clotting cases have become so prevalent in novel coronavirus patients that doctors have begun routinely treating individuals with therapeutic doses of anticoagulation medication.​

 

[Hufsamor]

novel coronavirus patients

What is a NOVEL patient?

 

[roller]

In Spain, among the hardest-hit nations, clotting cases have become so prevalent in novel coronavirus patients that doctors have begun routinely treating individuals with therapeutic doses of anticoagulation medication.

this "actionism"... is it this that kills so many people ?
no clue but the need to do something...

was it in UK or US or both ?
when someone came with covid+"breathing problems", they were knocked out by default (sedatives) and put on respirators.
.. until germany published that most of them die from the respirator infection...

 

[andyguitar]

it means "novel coronavirus" not novel patient.

 

[Hufsamor]

it means "novel coronavirus" not novel patient.

Thank you, But i dont understand "novel" anyway?
My dictionary tells me it means 'a short story' , but I know it's not that kind of novel...

 

[andyguitar]

It also means "unusual" or "different"

 

[Hufsamor]

@andyguitar
Thanks