Anyone tried microdosing psychadelics?

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The idea that it might help with nerve rewiring and new nerve stimulation- is tempting.
I agree .... I read an excellent piece on microdosing last year sometime. I think it'll be a wild goose thingy, but I'm willing to try, I just don't harbor huge optimism.


I'm with you as far as the smallest dose possible goes, but it has to be within the parameters required for actually working .... and I have no idea what those might be ... I suspect that your probably jokingly posted 5 mgs might not do it ....

Will do my best re the article....
 

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I am a frequent visitor of the cfs subreddit and have spoken to several people who have done psychedelics in order to improve their cfs. Shrooms (microdosing) dont seem to be of any use for cfs from what i have read and a full dose will cause serious PEM.
However, I have spoken to some people who have said that microdosing DMT has been a life saver. For example check out this recent thread:


The greatest effect had Ketamin. Great Anti Fatigue effect based on science : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26807672/

Those were the best 2h hours of my Life since ages, but its temporary and not a solution. You can make this 3-4 Times a year in my opinion.

I agree with this sentiment. I had a ketamine infusion at Stanford and for two days I felt as though I have never had CFS. I would get more infusions but they are not cheap and they are just a temporary solution.
 

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However, I have spoken to some people who have said that microdosing DMT has been a life saver. For example check out this recent thread:
DMT is otherwise known as Ayahuasca, and it scares the bejesus outta me.


In Mexico and So Amer, they call it The God Drug, and the spiritual trips are supposed to be inexpressibly incredible. They're short in RT, about 10 to 25 mins usually, but in-your-head time feels waaaaay different.... and some people report trips so terrifying that they truly thought they were dying. Or already dead....

That was, however, on ritualistic doses. On micro doses, this really interests m .....I just dont know if I have the cojones to try it ....

@hmnr asg ....
That's a GREAT Reddit post .... clear, succinct, and takes the edge off my fear a bit. Thank you so much for posting it ..... I'm bookmarking it as we speak !!!!


I wouldn't, however, recommend trying to make your own DMT. That REALLY makes me nervous ....
 

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i’ve micro and macro dosed psilocybin with cfs. i was undiagnosed at the time and didn’t know i had cfs, but knowing of the benefits i decided take the leap. i had previously used psychedelics 6 or 7 times before developing cfs. in college i was introduced to terence mckenna, alan watts, robert anton wilson, and timothy leary, among others. they sparked my interest in the drugs. if you aren’t familiar with them i highly recommend their books or lectures. they are wacky and yet incredibly intelligent with wide open minds. very entertaining figures. the use of psychedelics changed my life drastically for the better. i used them therapeutically for self growth during that time of my life.

anyway, my experiences using psychedelics while having cfs have not been great. the micro doses exacerbated my brain fog, although improved my mood (as they always have when done in the right setting). my most recent macro dose on psilocybin was a bit traumatizing however. i felt like i was dying and it was difficult to handle mentally. i was undiagnosed but having a good day so i decided to drop about 2.5 grams since i had missed the experience of tripping. it very quickly triggered pem. the feeling of pem + being undiagnosed was a recipe for a bad experience. being diagnosed i think i could handle a macro dose emotionally and the experience wouldn’t be traumatizing, potentially therapeutic. i’m not ready to try that though. if i had mild severity i would consider it.

using psychedelics is one of the things i miss a lot about feeling well, oddly enough. it makes me feel like a drug addict to say that, but i very little used them and they also terrify me. when i did have the courage to use them however, i had profound “spiritual“ experiences, if you will.
 

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using psychedelics is one of the things i miss a lot about feeling well, oddly enough. it makes me feel like a drug addict to say that, but i very little used them and they also terrify me. when i did have the courage to use them however, i had profound “spiritual“ experiences, if you will.

I think you can use these experiences you have already had....in beneficial ways. You can ask to receive more insights tied to this experience you already had.

Personally- it all depends to some degree on where your body is at physically, generally I think those of us in poorer shape would need to be VERY micro in any type experiment involving these substances.

Because some people might decide to go hike 82 miles in the pitch dark and walk over the back of ducks on the way. (physically impossible feats which defy physics can be achieved on psychedelics_)
 

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the version of DMT I was referring to involves smoking the toad.

Not to be pedantic, but the psychoactive venom extracted from the Colorado River toad (Bufo alvarius) contains 5-MeO-DMT, not DMT. While there are similarities between the two, they are distinct drugs with noticeably different effects and risk profiles. In particular, 5-MeO-DMT inhibits monoamine reuptake, while DMT does not. This makes 5-MeO-DMT comparatively more dangerous in overdose and more likely to interact dangerously with other substances. Just putting that out there.
 

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Tried macro and micro dosing mushrooms. The latter just seems to increase anxiety and the former was like a living hell. I did lots of psychadelics as a teenager and into my early 20s, so it's not like I couldn't handle the altered consciousness. This disease changed my brain chemistry and I couldn't handle it.

This was very early on in my illness, a point where I still thought my fatigue could be dealt with by magic mushrooms. But it couldn't. Perhaps I would have a different effect now but I'll never know - I don't think these substances will have any benefit for our illness, and I've a real soft spot for them.
 

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I did lots of psychadelics as a teenager and into my early 20s, so it's not like I couldn't handle the altered consciousness. This disease changed my brain chemistry and I couldn't handle it.

Its definately an intense thing to consider trying and no I'm not rushing towards this experiment.

Like you describe, some experimenting was tied to youth and vigor. I did have my chronic mono and conditions back then.

I do regret not having the actual experience described in one fascinting read- the book Sandoz wrote. Had it on the shelf, before the shelf took off. Experimenting in a controlled setting, with guardians and nobody else around and you have a personal intense experience in a safe and controlled setting. You can maybe further let go into the experience. And have far less anxiety.

I think I was lousy at the letting go. I see that pretty clearly. But I got what I wanted to get, out of the experience.
 

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I am a frequent visitor of the cfs subreddit and have spoken to several people who have done psychedelics in order to improve their cfs. Shrooms (microdosing) dont seem to be of any use for cfs from what i have read and a full dose will cause serious PEM.
However, I have spoken to some people who have said that microdosing DMT has been a life saver. For example check out this recent thread:

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Why do you think it had that amazing effect for two days? Anti inflammatory?

And How much do it cost?
 
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Why do you think it had that amazing effect for two days? Anti inflammatory?

And How much do it cost?
I have no idea why it worked! I am not going to pretend to understand :) There are a few threads already about ketamine you can search for.
The price depends on where you are, but there are ketamine clinics around california that claim to be treating depression and they cost around 600$ per infusion.
 

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DMT is otherwise known as Ayahuasca, and it scares the bejesus outta me.
Not exactly. Ayahuasca uses DMT plus a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) that is also plant based.
This is why Ayahuasca trips last several hours and DMT trips last minutes.

Also there is 5-MeO-DMT which is based on a frog secretion as @katabasis mentioned.
The low dose DMT that is supposed to help with CFS is the plain DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) which is based on plants (like Mimosa tenuiflora, Diplopterys cabrerana, and Psychotria viridis).
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
 

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using psychedelics is one of the things i miss a lot about feeling well, oddly enough. it makes me feel like a drug addict to say that,
Actually, if you want to feel like a drug addict, go to a Dr .... psychedelics are a whole other thing, and as you noted, an experience that can change you in a lot of beneficial ways.

Big admirer of Terrence McKenna, and was very sad when he died. It felt like an important ambassador to a distant and misunderstood country had departed the scene, leaving us at the mercy of those who totally misrepresent it, and hate it ...
 

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Big admirer of Terrence McKenna, and was very sad when he died. It felt like an important ambassador to a distant and misunderstood country had departed the scene, leaving us at the mercy of those who totally misrepresent it, and hate it
an ambassador from hyperspace!

if you aren’t aware, there’s a youtube page with short snippets of terences talks. “we plants are happy plants.“ highly recommend.
 
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