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These are misdiagnosed patients then. The major CFS and ME criteria have always excluded borreliosis.CONCLUSION: Spirochetes are very common in some group of patients, especially with diagnosis ME/CFS.
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These are misdiagnosed patients then. The major CFS and ME criteria have always excluded borreliosis.CONCLUSION: Spirochetes are very common in some group of patients, especially with diagnosis ME/CFS.
These are misdiagnosed patients then. The major CFS and ME criteria have always excluded borreliosis.
This group apparently had no trouble finding evidence of borreliosis.But aren't the major CFS and ME biased since the Lyme diagnostic isn't reliable?
So is this method valid for finding evidence of borreliosis, or not? Are we to only use the official and notoriously flawed official tests? Apparently what appears in their video and photos means nothing, right? Honest question.This group apparently had no trouble finding evidence of borreliosis.
Nobel prize winner Dr Lida Mattman has found spirochetes in MS, Fibro and ALS...why is it so difficult to believe that ME / CFS is not dissimilar.
So is this method valid for finding evidence of borreliosis, or not? Are we to only use the official and notoriously flawed official tests? Apparently what appears in their video and photos means nothing, right? Honest question.
I have the same question. How did this group find it so easily while others cannot?So is this method valid for finding evidence of borreliosis, or not? Are we to only use the official and notoriously flawed official tests? Apparently what appears in their video and photos means nothing, right? Honest question.
It's simple and you know the answer: because the standard tests for Lyme have been proven to miss up to 50% of true positives. It's a testing method that was initially designed for keeping statistics on the bizarre disease that was spreading in Lyme, CT in the late 70s, but was adopted for clinical diagnosis despite how faulty they are.What I don't understand is the dismissal of the the usual tests and I think there is merit that these tests are limited and a clinical diagnosis needs to be added.
Whatever is in video links 1 and 3 look sort of similar to the clip in the OP but I wouldn't with any confidence say that they are the same. None of them have a helical shape, unlike video clip 4.Dr. Edwards, the video and photos of spirochetes in that blog look consistent with microscopy images of borrelia (not just borrelia burgdorferi, but with many other variations of that bug). While they have a corkscrew shape, they look like shakey squiggly worms under the microscope. Disgusting actually:
https://www.google.com/search?q=borrelia microscopy
Not sure how serious or strict this study is, but if their results are to be believed, they may be on to something. It's also not the first time I read similar reports from scandinavian countries. It may be the case that borrelia (in all its many variations) is more ubiquitous than we thought, especially since testing is quite unreliable.
Just my two cents.
Can't argue with your thinking, but please keep in mind that many people are diagnosed with both. There is a lot of crossover. Also many people (one in four) never recover from borreliosis despite treatment. A Lyme diagnosis tends to be just as much a nebulous ragbag diagnosis as ME/CFS, in my personal experience.I have the same question. How did this group find it so easily while others cannot?
My point is simply that if the causal agent can be found, then the diagnosis (and treatment) becomes more clear. If you find Borrelia spp. in the blood then the diagnosis is Lyme borreliosis, not ME/CFS. It would make no sense to throw these people into a nebulous ragbag diagnosis that is being treated with Valcyte, rintatolimod, or god forbid, rituximab. These people need antibiotics.
I said "consistent", not that they are the same. Also, Borrelia Burgdorferi morphs into three different shapes, to make things even more complex.Whatever is in video links 1 and 3 look sort of similar to the clip in the OP but I wouldn't with any confidence say that they are the same. None of them have a helical shape, unlike video clip 4.
et me reverse it: since the tests have been proven to be unreliable and wrecked countless people's lives because of late detection and delayed treatment, why keep relying on them? Why does it seem impossible to get past these unreliable tests? You have also decried any new methodologies that seem more sensitive (like IgeneX or LTT). Why so much reliance on a proven faulty test
Actually she was a Nobel Prize nominee.
... isn’t it interesting that all theese people walk around with spirochetes in their blood? And after years of testing of the blood, they never found out their blood was infected? As well, if this blodinfection would be treated, would they stay as sick as they/we do? As well, what are those spirochetes exactly?
I wasn’t sure if I should join this discussion or not, but I have alot to add, so I will:
First off all, why would you bash this, saying its pretending to be something it isn’t? Its well presented what it is and what it isn’t, just read for yourselves, no discussion needed. This is a good first step in exploring the area, hopefully it can lead to research in the field. If it wasn’t interesting, it wouldn’t have spread this fast. This doesn’t at all show any causation.
Second, theese are no speculations.
Third, this person is not controversial in Sweden. How can a person be controversial? If you say something lie this, probably you should explain exactly what you mean.
Fourth: Titti is a woman with real training in this field.
Fifth: The spirochete video wasn’t made for only one testsubject, everyone has their own video of their spirochetes.
Sixth: While the Swedish healthcare failed in giving me proper diagnosis, this study helped me get it. The Swedish health care system use unsensitive testing methods, which leaves people with wrong diagnosis and in agony for the rest of their lives. You wonder if this is borrelia in the videos, the study doesn’t look to answer that question at all. However, that was the analysis from the darkfieldmicroscopy I recieved, as well CONFIRMED by elispot borrelia test, at another lab. I can also tell you that four serious coinfections were found as well, which I, by the way, also had been tested for several times in the swedish health care system but they failed to recognize.
Seventh: No matter what this study can reveal, isn’t it interesting that all theese people walk around with spirochetes in their blood? And after years of testing of the blood, they never found out their blood was infected? As well, if this blodinfection would be treated, would they stay as sick as they/we do? As well, what are those spirochetes exactly?
Hi all. First post here.
I was one of the subjects in the Swedish study. it was a private study & not a proper scientific study (with everything that entails). But a study non the less. No financial interest involved. Just the will to get sick people get proper treatment and recognition.
I wasn’t sure if I should join this discussion or not, but I have alot to add, so I will:
First off all, why would you bash this, saying its pretending to be something it isn’t? Its well presented what it is and what it isn’t, just read for yourselves, no discussion needed. This is a good first step in exploring the area, hopefully it can lead to research in the field. If it wasn’t interesting, it wouldn’t have spread this fast. This doesn’t at all show any causation.