What exactly is "overmethylation"? Excess of methionine?

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What exactly does it mean when people talk about "overmethylation", in reference to "overstimulating" side effects in response to methyl donors like methylcobalamin, methylfolate, TMG, SAM-e, etc.

Does this refer to excess production of methionine? SAM-e? Homocysteine being too low?
 

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I am sure others will contribute more intelligent answers, but methylation is a sophisticated pathway, e.g. it requires a number of coordinated factors. The complex of B vitamins play a role such as Vitamin B2, choline etc. and as you mentioned, the others.

Looking at the pathways (as are other pathways) there are always dependencies that exist for a pathway to complete. In other words, a missing link will cause the pathway to short out. My opinion is that those pathways tend to be bioindividual or dependent on specific needs for each person. Choline is a big methyl donor and I do better with it as choline/inositol - it seems to be better for me than the TMG or DMG.

Taurine may one to look at.

AI inquiry spit this out:
Overmethylation can result from a range of factors and may be linked to MTHFR single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). It can lead to poor concentration, anxiety, panic attacks, sleep disorders, and sensitivities to environmental toxins, among other symptoms2.

Another inquiry says this about the nutrients involved:
Methylation pathways rely on several nutrients, including B12, folate, methionine, cysteine, taurine, DHA, zinc, magnesium, potassium, riboflavin, niacin, pyridoxine, betaine, choline, and sulfur. Inadequate intake of any of these nutrients can impair methylation. Foods high in these nutrients include beets, spinach, mushrooms, eggs, organ meats, and shellfish. Folate, vitamin B-12, vitamin B-6, and choline, in addition to other vitamins and minerals, seem to play a role in DNA methylation. Increasing intake of these nutrients may help support DNA methylation and prevent certain genes from being expressed1.
 

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When your body becomes overmethylated there’s too much SAMe floating around. if you are an over-methylator you can take certain supplements to decrease methylation. Excess niacin (B3) is metabolized by methylation and thus uses up methyl groups. So if you are an over-methylator, meaning you have extra, then B3 is good because it uses them up, but if you are an under-methylator, meaning deficient, then giving extra B3 is bad because it drains an already poor supply. https://mthfr.net/overmethylation-and-undermethylation-case-study/2012/06/27/ Methylation is simply the adding or removal of the methyl group to a compound or other element. A "methyl" group is simply one carbon connected to three hydrogen atoms which is why this process is called methylation.

While hypomethylation is associated with many different problems, hypermethylation can be equally problematic. What we really need is methylation balance in the body. Many on their own or at the recommendation of their healthcare practitioner, have sought genetic testing for MTHFR and other genes related to methylation and begun supplements to correct their supposed “methylation deficiency” based solely on their genetic results. However, because someone has an SNP that might predispose them to impaired methylation does not mean they actually have impaired methylation. In fact, they could have completely normal methylation! On the other hand, a person who has no SNPs in their methylation genes could have severe methylation imbalance and may therefore benefit from some treatment. This is similar to what I've posted about inflammation in general, its important to test what your body state actually is rather than follow advice to take high dosing of anti inflammatory nutrients which also would be problematic if not currently in an inflammatory state.

...yes, there are mutants out there, walking among you, but unlike the comics they dont get to turn to ice or rock or fly but unable to convert regular old folic acid into methylfolate, or 5-MTHF for short. I will stand with pride among you because yes, I too am a mutant. The presence of methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) genotypes, in particular, C677T, or A1298C mutations, directly impact enzymatic activity in the methylation process but that does not mean its necessarily bad in general, perhaps only when going too far in one direction and having health problems related to that imbalance.

One reliable and effective method of doing this is through the use of a whole blood histamine test. This is different from a plasma histamine blood test which is a histamine test that looks at histamine in the plasma, the fraction of blood which carries the blood cells throughout the body. While doctors often test plasma histamine in persons with histamine intolerance, the majority of histamine present in the body is within the whole blood cells of white blood cells, specifically basophils and mast cells. Whole blood cells are utilized for testing methylation status because within those cells are a methyl-dependent enzyme which is what controls the level of histamine, giving physicians an understanding of ones true methylation status. One way histamine is de-activated (eliminated) is by receiving a methyl group from SAMe. So if there is low methylation, there is low SAMe, and the histamine levels are higher because of the lack of methyl groups to deactivate it. If there is high methylation, there is higher amounts of SAMe, and lots of histamine can be deactivated. https://www.secondopinionphysician.com/shop/walsh-protocol-lab-test-histamine-methylation/
 
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What an educative response, I truly appreciate you typing all of this up. I didn't understand the relationship between histamine and SAMe before you explained it this way either.

So, when referring to "methylation", what's largely being discussed is the cyclical process of SAMe synthesis and regeneration?
 

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What an educative response, I truly appreciate you typing all of this up. I didn't understand the relationship between histamine and SAMe before you explained it this way either.

So, when referring to "methylation", what's largely being discussed is the cyclical process of SAMe synthesis and regeneration?

Yes. the activation of folate (aka, the “folate cycle”) and the homocysteine conversion onto methionine and ultimately SAM-e (dubbed the “methionine cycle”) enable and fuel the methylation cycle, https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-is-methylation

 
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AI inquiry spit this out:
Overmethylation can result from a range of factors and may be linked to MTHFR single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). It can lead to poor concentration, anxiety, panic attacks, sleep disorders, and sensitivities to environmental toxins, among other symptoms2.
Thank you for this. Methylation is an issue for me, although I have chosen to work on some other things first. I didn't really understand over vs. under methylation but your link provides an opening to understanding. First glance, I seem to fit much more into the undermethylation category. I plan a histamine test to get more info.

As an aside, and I don't mean to hijack the thread, would you provide a link or some info on where you used the AI inquiry? This is a new info source for me. Thank you.
 

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@almost

No hijacking noted :)


I think the AI used this link:
https://methyl-life.com/blogs/mthfr/mthfr-overmethylation-symptoms

I used the AI in Microsoft Edge which is built in.

I did another inquiry using Microsoft Edge and it spit this out

Overmethylation is a condition that occurs when too many methyl molecules are available to add to enzymes, hormones, and neurotransmitters. It is also called histapenia1. It is believed that genetic mutations may lead to abnormalities in the methylation process. The methylation cycle is a specific biochemical pathway that is responsible for influencing a variety of critical biological processes including: the immune system, DNA maintenance, production of energy, and detoxification. During the methylation process, neurotransmitters are created, giving rise to certain emotional states. If there is problems with the methylation process, it is speculated that a number of different psychiatric symptoms may arise2.

If you click on the blue hilighted, it should send you to the link the bot used.
 
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