Stem Cells

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That's a good point, Janis.
In fact, cells from the fetus stay in a mother's bloodstream, and can cause autoimmune illness years later in rare cases; or, in one case I heard of, the mother's liver repaired itself with those fetal cells.
 

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That's a good point, Janis.
In fact, cells from the fetus stay in a mother's bloodstream, and can cause autoimmune illness years later in rare cases; or, in one case I heard of, the mother's liver repaired itself with those fetal cells.

Freaky info, Jen. I started to have palpitations (and autoimmune issues) while pregnant with my daughter, my ovaries failed a few months after her birth, and I developed autoimmune thyroid illness (grave's d) a few years later. I always assumed it had to do with depletion of minerals or amino acids, or silent gluten sensitivity 20 years before it manifested, not fetal cells. Nice to consider another possibility, albeit an unhappy one.
 

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Below is a link to the International Cellular Medicine Society Report for 2010 , Not only listing and reviewing all stem cell clinics in the world, but also describing basics, i.e.: cord cells will breach the blood brain barrier but adult cells are much much less likely.
http://cellmedicinesociety.org/attachments/193_ICMS%20-%202010%20-%20Off%20Shore%20Stem%20Cell%20Survey%20Report.pdf
Thanks for the post; there is a lot of nice information in there. Unfortunately it doesn't actually seem to list "all stem cell clinics in the world". Unless I missed them, (very possible) both the Institute of Cellular Medicine in San Jose, Costa Rica as well as it's sister company, the Stem Cell Institute in Panama City, Panama are not reviewed in this paper and both of these (especially SCI in Panama) are the ones who have been treating ME/CFS patients with (and without) Dr.Cheney.
 

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Do we have an estimate for the number of people we have yet? Maybe we can post a tally to get an idea. I'll start at 1, the next person can say 2, etc.

1 :Retro smile:

Would like to say I'm in, but would need to know when and how much? I probably won't have the money to do. Certainly don't have it now.
 

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Thanks for the post; there is a lot of nice information in there. Unfortunately it doesn't actually seem to list "all stem cell clinics in the world". Unless I missed them, (very possible) both the Institute of Cellular Medicine in San Jose, Costa Rica as well as it's sister company, the Stem Cell Institute in Panama City, Panama are not reviewed in this paper and both of these (especially SCI in Panama) are the ones who have been treating ME/CFS patients with (and without) Dr.Cheney.

No, I don't think those clinics are in there. It seems to be a voluntary association. And it has a lot of interesting info. I looked into the one listed in El Salvador, part of a group of clinics run by an Argentinian, it seems. Very interesting, lots of patient testimonials. Nothing on CFS per se, but some conditions that seem to be a part of our condition.

Also came across the stem cell pioneers website:
www.stemcellpioneers.com

Haven't investigated it yet, but looks interesting.
 
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Stem Cells Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Just a post to let those of you who are VERY interested in getting Stem
Cells in Panama or Costa Rica, probably Panama, please private
message me.

My mentor was gracious enough to introduce to me to the very top
people at Cell Medicine when we went together to Costa Rica and in doing
so I have been able to negotiate with the Medical Directors an excellent
price/pricing system according to the number of people with CFS/ME
wanting to participate.

I will not be compensated in any way for this endeavor.
This is simply a pay it forward and a sincere wish for recovery,
as my mentor did for me and changed my life.
I truly want those who have HOPE with stem cells to be able to go within a
reasonable time frame and be able to afford (what I feel) is an excellent
price, and could be better depending on the number/s of people going.

Please only inquire if you are truly interested and willing to talk via phone.
I have alot of my life back and want to help those who are seriously
interested in giving stem cells a GO!

I am going to post how AMAZINGLY well I have been doing soon!

Please "Bump" so others may read.


Molly
 

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I won't go this time but I am very eager to know
1) What kind of group price is negotiated
2) How you're doing, Molly
3) How others do--please report for the months following your treatment!

If it goes well, I'll be very interested.
 

dipic

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Hey all. I want to share my current plans to go to the Stem Cell Institute in Panama. I would have liked to have been able to post regularly in this thread to share my thoughts and plans before now. I tried numerous times before but gave up after spending too much time and energy trying (in vain) to express and articulate myself to my satisfaction. I'm posting whatever I can manage this time, regardless of whether or not it's to my liking.

For the past few months my father (who is also my caretaker) and I have been researching and have recently decided that we can and will go asap. I wish I could wait... wait for more data, more information to come out. I'm not even sure how I will survive the trip from NY to Panama but I fear the alternative of waiting. My health has rapidly declined over the last year and a half. I've been completely bedridden and need full time care over the course of this time and in just the last several months my condition has begun to markedly worsen on a seemingly weekly basis now.

I've already been approved to go. I (or my father) will be calling Monday to try to make an appointment. Already sounds like they are booked until about midway through July. I will be taking the soonest date possible. Wish I could go with others for a group rate (thank you for trying to get that together, Molly, and everything else you have contributed to this thread/forum.)

I will have four IV infusions, four consecutive days in a row, and then an intrathecal (spinal) injection on the fifth day. The SCI's protocol is typically just the four IV infusions, however, 10 (if I remember correctly) of Dr.Cheney's patients have recently had the extra injection into the spine. I think that it has been a bit over a month since then so the jury is still out on that (the benefit, if any, the risks, etc.) Basically, it's their latest experiment. (If you've been following along, their previous use of fat stem cells was not very successful.) I'm weighing out the risks and opting for the intrathecal injection. I figure I don't have much to lose. Even though I am not one of Dr.Cheney's patients, the SCI is willing to oblige (though I am assuming it will raise the cost; maybe not.)

Coming to price, then. I was told that the cost for "all medical, laboratory, and stem cell procedures" is $17,000. That was before I asked if they would be willing to do the spinal injection. I have to get more details on Monday but, again, I'm unsure whether this will change the price. They may use the same amount of stem cells but just spread them out over 5 instead of 4 infusions/injections. Not sure.

Also, I forgot to mention, for those that might be unaware: the stem cells that will be used are those recovered from donated umbilical cords. The SCI reps assure that they are "screened for viruses and bacteria to International Blood Bank Standards." (wonder what happens if you get some infected with XMRV? =/) The two cell types used are CD 34+ and mesenchymal cells.

Annnd my brain feels like mush. Hope I didn't miss anything. I will post updates with more info and answer any questions that I can when I have the chance.

'till then, take care, everyone.

(PS, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time and energy to share their own insight and experiences in this thread. It has been immensely helpful. Again, thank you.)
 
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Hey all. I want to share my current plans to go to the Stem Cell Institute in Panama. I would have liked to have been able to post regularly in this thread to share my thoughts and plans before now. I tried numerous times before but gave up after spending too much time and energy trying (in vain) to express and articulate myself to my satisfaction. I'm posting whatever I can manage this time, regardless of whether or not it's to my liking.

Annnd my brain feels like mush. Hope I didn't miss anything. I will post updates with more info and answer any questions that I can when I have the chance.

'till then, take care, everyone.

(PS, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time and energy to share their own insight and experiences in this thread. It has been immensely helpful. Again, thank you.)

dipic,

So sorry to hear you are struggling so much healthwise, but really glad to hear you're going for what seems to be the most promising treatment available. Sending good jujus and hoping after your treatment you begin a quick ascent back to better health....
All best,
hubcap
 
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Hello Everyone,

Just a post to let those of you who are VERY interested in getting Stem
Cells in Panama or Costa Rica, probably Panama, please private
message me.

My mentor was gracious enough to introduce to me to the very top
people at Cell Medicine when we went together to Costa Rica and in doing
so I have been able to negotiate with the Medical Directors an excellent
price/pricing system according to the number of people with CFS/ME
wanting to participate.

I will not be compensated in any way for this endeavor.
This is simply a pay it forward and a sincere wish for recovery,
as my mentor did for me and changed my life.
I truly want those who have HOPE with stem cells to be able to go within a
reasonable time frame and be able to afford (what I feel) is an excellent
price, and could be better depending on the number/s of people going.

Please only inquire if you are truly interested and willing to talk via phone.
I have alot of my life back and want to help those who are seriously
interested in giving stem cells a GO!

I am going to post how AMAZINGLY well I have been doing soon!

Please "Bump" so others may read.


Molly

Hi all,

Count me in as part of the stem cell group.
I'm really fortunate to have become close friends with Molly, we've met in person and I can vouch for everything she's said here.
I listened to Molly's conversation with the top Medical Director at the Panama Clinic and the group rate is very good at 10 people.
She's looking out for us and I'm grateful for her like it's my job.

THANK YOU MOLLY for your big efforts to help us get access to stem cell treatments and for your business savvy in negotiations with the Panama folk.
I'm personally grateful for Molly's time and support and positivity while I've been in this ongoing bad crash/flare.

Also, super impressed with the really intelligent, helpful posts on this thread. You are a sharp and supportive group! I wish I had more energy to be more a part of this conversation now....in time I will.

I wish us all good health,
hubcap
 

dipic

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Where in NY are you? I'm in upstate NY, too. It's too bad you couldn't hold out just a little bit longer and try to get the group rate with us - BUT, you have to go when you can go (or have to go), obviously. Believe me, everyone completely understands the urgency and how desperate we all are to get better. It would be really great to go the whole trip with a fellow NYer, but it's even really exciting for some reason just knowing someone from around here is going. I am really excited for you!

HUGE BEST WISHES!! I hope you get an excellent result. Come back and tell us how you did as soon as you can. I know I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat to hear how it went for you! :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::Retro smile::Retro smile::Retro smile::Retro smile::Retro smile::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Hi Mr.Kite, I'm in the Rochester area. Been here all the nearly 22 years of my life.

If everything goes well, though, maybe I can catch you guys for a second trip for a booster if we still have a penny left after this? :Retro wink::D

More importantly though, I'm hope my experience will be helpful to anyone hoping to go.

Thanks for the warm wishes.:D I promise to keep you all updated.

Ben
 

dipic

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dipic,

So sorry to hear you are struggling so much healthwise, but really glad to hear you're going for what seems to be the most promising treatment available. Sending good jujus and hoping after your treatment you begin a quick ascent back to better health....
All best,
hubcap
Thanks for your support, hubcap, it means a lot.

Take care.

Ben
 
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autoimmune desease after pregnancy?

First of all, I also want to wish you all the best dipic. From what I so far, it seems like you are doing the right thing. Go for it, I would love to see you get better!
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I also want to share some information on jenbooks post.

That's a good point, Janis.
In fact, cells from the fetus stay in a mother's bloodstream, and can cause autoimmune illness years later in rare cases; or, in one case I heard of, the mother's liver repaired itself with those fetal cells.

Dr. Riordan from the Panama/Costa Rica clinics talks about this in the medical paper, that I summarized a view posts ago. He talks about this in the section "Will the graft be cleared?". See some of his points below.


Quoted from: http://www.cellmedicine.com/doc/CordBloodinRegenerativeMedicine.pdf
Although some studies
have correlated autoimmunity with residual lymphocytes
causing a GVHD-like reaction in the mother, more careful
analysis of these studies show that immune cells of fetal
origin are largely outnumbered by cells of maternal origin.
This is the basis for the proposition of Khosrotehrani
et al that the fetal cells are actually "pregnancy associated
progenitor cells" that act as allogeneic "repair cells" [73].
The authors of this hypothesis believe that these repair
cells are actually migrating to the site of autoimmune
damage in order to control injury and cause regeneration.
The authors cite numerous examples in support of their
idea, more notably, a case report of a hepatitis C patient
who stopped treatment but disease relapse was not
observed. Biopsy analysis demonstrated the liver parenchyma
was heavily populated with cells of male origin
that based on DNA polymorphism analysis were derived
from a previous pregnancy more than a decade earlier
[74].
 
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Molly also contacted me about the group rate. I am very grateful for her offer. I think it is great, that she uses her regained vitality to help us.

I would love to go myself for stem cell treatment. In post #315 I told you about some of my thoughts.
In addition to my thoughts in that post, I want to share that I have not talked about this in detail with my wife and my family. I mentioned it, but we never came close to making a decision about the "When is the right time to go".

I feel like the soonest, that I would go is in October. I am very interested in the group rate Molly negotiated. I will keep in touch with you. Thanks to everybody for sharing.
 

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i am interested in doing stem cell therapy and was wondering if anyone else in the UK is thinking of it
 

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From http://www.stemcellpioneers.com/

Where You Get Your Stem Cells Matters by Dr. Centeno

"The closer the stem cells are to the target tissue in need of repair and the closer their function in the body is to the repair process for that tissue, the better".

I found this quote very interesting. Does SCI in Panama and Costa Rica take this into consideration, or are cord blood cells different and go where needed?

Also, how are we doing with the "group rate" thing? Any news?
 
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I am really interested in going too. I dont think I will have the money for a while either though, and as posted earlier I dont think it should matter that we all go at the exact same time, just as long as we are part of the "group" makes sense. Anyone who has gone besides Molly I would love to hear from. I wish more people were coming forward sharing their experiences but I also understand being able to just enjoy their lives would be a #1 priority. Anyone talk to the guy on here who was also bedridden Dipic?
Also I have a blog for those of you who have a lot of extra laying around time, its not much right now but I plan on keeping it updated with treatment/progress. Good or bad. http://kcleejackson.blogspot.com/
 

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Hey guys, quick update.

This is going to be brief (or at least I hope I can make it so) as I'm averaging 4-5 hours of sleep each night lately and my brain is seriously fried beyond belief especially after helping my old man make travel arrangements, planning dates, etc. on top of the poor sleep and general poor condition I'm in.

We have dates and flights reserved. We're booked to take a flight from Rochester, New York to Newark, New Jersey. Small plane. That's our layover. Then it's from there all the way to Panama. Bigger plane. Bought several seats so I could lay across them (to help with the POTS), as per just one of Molly's many excellent suggestions.

We depart June 26th. Less than a month away. Blood work will be taken on Monday the 28th. 4 infusions will be given consequetively throughout the rest of the work week (tues-fri). (Fun fact: The second infusion will occur on the 30th which just so happens to be my 22nd birthday. :cool:) We will be staying the weekend and flying back on the 4th of July.

Oh, and another fun little tidbit that I literally just learned several days ago: I was informed that I tested positive for XMRV. Can't give any details or specifics on how I was tested at this moment but I thought I would at least share that bit of news anyway. It doesn't really have any impact on my decision to go to panama for stem cell treatment but it is certainly interesting to know, to say the least.

Hope I'm not leaving anything out. Feel free to ask me questions but keep in mind that, again, I need a LOT of rest so when I will be able to actually get around to answering may not be for a while (probably not until I get back and then some). Hope y'all understand. Besides, I will know much, much more once I've gone and actually had the treatment done. :Retro wink:

I promise that if this treatment goes well and I recover at least enough to be able to so, I will answer any and all questions anyone might have.

And lastly, I would just like to thank all the wonderful support and encouragement I've gotten from members of this board.

I will probably update at least one more time before I leave to Panama just to say I'm off and then once again as soon as I've gotten back, if I can, just to let y'all know I'm still (hopefully) alive.

Take care guys. Keep the hope alive.

Ben
 
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