:30:22] And if he's in and the, if you, I, I love it in winter with like the snow covering the whole Mesa, uh, snow capped mountains in the background. And it just almost reminds me of the Himalayas a little bit, because you have this high steppe environment that's just really like flat and wide and huge in all directions with a really big sky and then mountains in the background.
[01:30:54] But yeah. Um, that's the area just like to give listeners kind of picture of Taos and the area. A lot of people think of New Mexico and are like, literally surprised that you hear that there's snow and cold, but New Mexico yeah is very much, a lot of the state is mountains. A lot of it's snow and cold. Yeah.
[01:31:19] Jacob: [01:31:19] Even Albuquerque is, um, I want to say it's between like, 5,000 feet up to 6,500 feet or 6,200 feet. So, I mean, that's, that's kind of on par with Denver, so that kind of helps get the picture.
[01:31:36] Walker: [01:31:36] Um, so yeah, Albuquerque is further south than Denver, so it is warmer, but it is basically the same, um, height. And then there are the East mountains and neighborhoods that are up in the Sandias, um, but you, so you lived at the house for awhile, um, and it was healing, but you had to work at that job.
[01:31:59] That's difficult. I want to put in a word for, uh, talking about that, this problem, like, um, I wasn't, I was so sad when we have been invited to that. I wasn't able to work at all and I've been on disability. Um, it might sound like, you know, from it's diff it's difficult to like convey illness over a picture or over listening to someone speak, but you know, I have to take lots of palliative meds, even do a podcast, um, and avoid crashing, like talking is not always easy for me, even when I'm very sick.
[01:32:39] But when you get, when you're in a, when you don't have disability money, even when you do, it's not a lot of money, but when you go on disability money and you're balancing healing and working, especially if work involves being in a bad environment, um, that can be tough. So, um, speak on that struggle a little bit. And then after that, I want to hear about your move to Albuquerque and just like the different places you've been in New Mexico a little bit.
[01:33:13] Jacob: [01:33:13] Walker, you-- you like to live vicariously through the mentioned, um, yeah. Working as you said working is tough. Um, when you're in a work environment, that's, um, not good.
[01:33:30] I mean, working even, uh, I mean, I hate to say it, but yeah, working, working through this and through that healing is, it is difficult. Um, and then I think I've also come to realize how much in the past I've really been in extreme, extreme, extreme burnout from pushing myself to just pay rent and bills and everything on time.
[01:33:58] Um, and not taking care of my body or my health. There's a lot of parts of detoxing as well when your body is in a good environment and you start to let go of past toxins, maybe that had been stored for a couple of years, maybe like a lifetime. Um, and I mean, it's, it can be really intense how, without a doubt.
[01:34:25] So working through that is difficult. And if you're in that position, I think it's important to really see if you can find, uh, something that's conducive to your healing. So whether that's being outside, whether it's like parks and rec department or something, where that you can work on your computer as well, uh, that could be really helpful as long as your computer is, uh, you feel okay using your computer.
[01:35:01] Um, but then you can essentially create your environment, your home environment and work environment. So, yeah, there's, that's kind of my recommendation, but yeah,
[01:35:12] Walker: [01:35:12] But even then it can be tough because like some people are sick enough that they basically like can't tolerate most buildings and they might need to be camping and camping can be like a full time job. Just like setting up camp.
[01:35:28] Jacob: [01:35:28] Um, yeah, I mean, there's no pretty way to say it. I mean, it's, it's really not ideal to be, it feel it's a little bit like you got to choose one or the other. Um, yeah, I've lucked out a little bit with some farm work, even that though it could be, that could be really hard. Cause there's a lot of times where, um, the thing with this is like, when you feel fatigued or tired, it's usually just not a, it's not a good idea to, to try and overwork yourself or push through it.
[01:36:02] Walker: [0101:36:02] Um, right.
[01:36:04] Jacob: [01:36:04] It's, that's pretty bad idea. So that's, that's definitely hard. So yeah, it feels a little bit like one or the other.
[01:36:14] Walker: [01:36:14] Um, we're not saying this to be like, um, if you, you know how to make money and work and you also have to have health issues, don't do mold avoidance or whatever. The point is more reach out for any kind of financial support you can. I mean, like, I think there's no shame in doing like fundraisers. A lot of people started their mold avoidance journey. Yeah, I can. I know, I know someone that I think I'm thinking of a couple people at least, but at least one person I know is a really successful, really great mold avoider who I believe started with like a gofundme in their maybe church community, I'm not sure, their community in general really like filled that, not everyone that has a good support network. And it's not ideal to have to do that, but that's the reality. I mean, disability takes a while to fight for, for some of these illnesses, you don't always get it. I was lucky to get it, but even what I get is like pennies on the dollar compared to like a lot of expenses.
[01:37:17] Um, so that, that's the reality. It's not, I'm not bringing this up to say all these daunting things to not, to not leave your environment and not try this. It's just sometimes difficult. Although some people made remote work work, especially when they improve a lot from, um, avoidance. But I'm just saying, talking about the struggle to make it clear that like, um, if you see someone fundraising for this and you're like, why can't they work?
[01:37:47] I mean, like camping is difficult and camping off-grid, especially, which is often the best place to be. You don't necessarily want to be near a bunch of RVs and toilets, um, is, is a, is a job. Um, yeah. And, and this is something that this is a reason for homelessness, for one thing. Um, a lot of people won't even think of themselves as homeless, even as they're like homeless doing this because maybe they have come from, they don't think of, uh, the illness is a valid reason for houselessness and homelessness. But like, I mean, if you are not able to tolerate many homes and you're like living out of your car or whatever, even in the cold, then all of that, like you're homeless, I don't know. Or at least you're houseless, it's, you know, it's a real thing. And it's a phenomenon that I would say is like more widespread than most people realize.
[01:38:52] Jacob: [01:38:52] Yeah, definitely. Definitely agree with that.
[01:38:55] Walker: [01:38:55] Like a lot of free housing things like public housing are known to be, have really bad toxic mold, uh, problems.
[01:39:05] Jacob: [01:39:05] Yeah. That's, that's something that, that's something that's really good to, I think, bring up more about this and also to emphasize and like try and make guidelines on how to do this with when you're, when you don't have any financial support.
[01:39:23] Walker: [01:39:23] Um, yeah. It's really tough.
[01:39:26] Jacob: [01:39:26] It's tough, but it's possible. I think it's just, I think it's learning and I think the, the ways to do it, aren't, you can't just look it up. You can't say, okay, here's a RV and an RV site. It might be emailing, um, or getting, trying to contact, a lot of people don't even have computers or internet access unless you go to a library.
[01:39:48] But if you're able to email people that have, uh, like Workaways or Woofing, uh, visitor-volunteer type things, some of them are paid. Um, some of them might let you stay there for free. So there's ways. I don't think it's clear. It's not clear yet how to, how to do that.
[01:40:12]Walker: [01:40:12] Right. Well, yeah, it's very true. It's tough. I'm not saying it's not doable or not good. I'm bringing that up. Just like show the struggle because there are, there are a lot of people that I think of as very skilled mold avoiders who struggled a lot, just because it's intrinsically a difficult thing to do. Is regardless of money, those people often some of them had fairly good, um, situations that made it easier financially to count their skills and struggled.
[01:40:48] Because even if you have that, it's not easy. I mean, it's difficult emotionally to leave your house in like communities behind. Um, but for people that don't have that at all, they don't have a house to sell. They don't have assets to sell, they're asset poor and cash poor, um, it can be really difficult, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
[01:41:14] I mean, there's like, there's so many levels and ways to do this...
[01:41:18] Jacob: [01:41