Psychology Today Opinion piece regarding the IOM release

[chipmunk1]

Not really a relevant comment I know but if that is true it's utterly priceless.
Where are all those 'I Heart Freud' stickers. I can always handcraft one in my own blood of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Eckstein

Freud suspected, in addition to hysteria, a "nasal reflex neurosis", a condition popularized by his friend and collaboratorWilhelm Fliess, an ear, nose, and throat specialist. Fliess had been treating "nasal reflex neurosis" by cauterizing the inside of the nose under local anesthesia with cocaine used as the anesthetic. Fliess found that the treatment yielded positive results, in that his patients became less depressed. Fliess conjectured that if temporary cauterization was temporarily useful, perhaps surgery would yield more permanent results. He began operating on the noses of patients he diagnosed with the disorder, including Eckstein and even Freud himself.

Eckstein's surgery was a disaster. She suffered from terrible infections for some time, and profuse bleeding. Freud called in a specialist, his old school friend, Dr Ignaz Rosanes,[13] who removed a mass of surgical gauze that Fliess had not removed. Eckstein's nasal passages were so damaged that she was left permanently disfigured. Freud initially attributed this damage to the surgery, but later, as an attempt to reassure his friend that he shouldn't blame himself, Freud reiterated his belief that the initial nasal symptoms had been due to hysteria.

 

[eafw]

"It is, of course, possible that some unknown disease will be discovered to explain the symptoms of ME/CFS."

That's Shorter's get-out clause. Showalter does the same. Prof Wessely also in his own terms.

The way I read it was definitely this, that he says it in order to claim to be balanced and yet it is without any sort of conviction at all.

Rather like someone might say "well of course there *may* be alien life already visiting us", even though they've made it more than clear that they think people claiming to be abductees are all first class fantasists and hysterics.

 

[GracieJ]

Spin control. Yeah, you know you know.

 

[lansbergen]

Freud reiterated his belief that the initial nasal symptoms had been due to hysteria

He probably did not know the nose is the porte d'entree for many infections and there is an open connection between the nose and the brain.

 

[Sean]

Freud and Fleiss nearly killed a woman called Emma Eckstein when the operated on her nose to stop her masturbating and, thus, cure her of hysteria. She nearly bled to death. Really - they really did do that!

Jeffrey Mason wrote a fab and troubling account of it in his book 'The Assault on Truth'. He was sacked as Director of the Freud Archives for doing so.

I think it was Mason who said that most (non-psychotic) psych patients would be better off getting a good pet than undergoing therapy.

And boy did he get it from his profession when he turned apostate.

 

[Tired of being sick]

I have my too much on my plate now trying to manage this Virus/Disease..

I refuse to put anything on my plate in which I have absolutely "no
control" of the outcome..

I suggest all CFS/ME sufferers do the same.

As you all know that ANY physical or mental or emotional exertion can a will
trigger your CFS/ME into a god awful tantrum that will last for days or weeks........

 

[Roy S]

Breaking Away from the Cult
This is an interesting review by a psychologist of Jeffrey Masson's book
FINAL ANALYSIS
The Making and Unmaking of a Psychoanalyst

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/21/books/breaking-away-from-the-cult.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
　
"Mr. Masson is not just any man who became disenchanted with his profession or his religion (in this case, the same thing). He is the man who, through friendship with Anna Freud and her close associate Kurt Eissler, became in 1980 the projects director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, the sanctum sanctorum of the psychoanalytic establishment, the source of documents that had been sealed to the outside world until the next century. And he is the man who used many of these newly discovered materials to argue, in ''The Assault on Truth,'' that Freud was guilty of ''a failure of moral courage'' when he denied the reality of the childhood sexual abuse his patients reported, deciding instead that they were fantasizing. Psychoanalysts did not respond to this news by saying, ''Oh, thank you, Jeff, for explaining why the entire foundation of psychoanalysis is wrong!'' They unceremoniously kicked him out. He had become, and to many still remains, ''the arch traitor, the Antichrist in the church of psychoanalysis,'' as Mr. Masson describes himself."
　
　
　

 

[Snowdrop]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Eckstein

Alas, poor Emma. A warning to us all to stay well away from ideologues.

 

[Sean]

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"It is, of course, possible that some unknown disease will be discovered to explain the symptoms of ME/CFS."

That's Shorter's get-out clause. Showalter does the same. Prof Wessely also in his own terms.
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Yep. Cowards.

Wessely has left get-out-of-jail-free comments throughout his work, from his first papers onwards. Spends 99.9% of his words on arguing we are somatisers "par excellence ", and then leaves a barely noticeable generic caveat buried deep in the text to the effect that in principle there is the remote possibility that his 'interpretations' might turn out to be wrong, as if that somehow excuses the other 99.9% of shite he heaps on us.

 

[SOC]

Yep. Cowards.

Wessely has left get-out-of-jail-free comments throughout his work, from his first papers onwards. Spends 99.9% of his words on arguing we are somatisers "par excellence ", and then leaves a barely noticeable generic caveat buried deep in the text to the effect that in principle there is the remote possibility that his 'interpretations' might turn out to be wrong, as if that somehow excuses the other 99.9% of shite he heaps on us.

Fortunately, that's not going to do him a lot of good outside his own little fan club once we have a clear biomarker or a known etiology. We can send the 99.9% vile bile to media outlets all over the world. Even if it was the other way around and only 0.1% was shite, the media would chew him up and spit him out. We know how much the media loves to report only the bad and the dramatic. They won't want to hear the "good" stuff he said. That's boring from a news point of view. They'll revel in his nastiness. That "sells papers".

Of course this probably won't apply to a large segment of the UK media, which IS part of his fan club. It will likely take quite a bit longer for them to jump on the bandwagon, but peer pressure will probably catch up with them eventually.

 

[Dx Revision Watch]

Edward Shorter "Part I" (Blog since placed behind log in)

Nothing has changed since then in scientific terms. There have been no convincing new studies, no breakthrough findings of organicity, nothing.

And there never will be. ​

Edward Shorter "Part 2"

It is, of course, possible that some unknown disease will be discovered to explain the symptoms of ME/CFS.​

He's all over the place.


In case it's not already posted in the thread, here is the Psychology Today Terms of Use page in respect of bloggers hosted by the publishers:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/terms-use

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c) You are solely responsible for the content of any posting you make to the Site and any consequences arising from such posting. We assume no responsibility for materials posted by our users or any other actions, conduct or omissions of our users. We act as a service provider for users to distribute and publish their materials. We do not undertake responsibility for screening or monitoring our users’ materials.

d) Our bloggers who post articles to our Site are not employed by us or Sussex Publishers, LLC. Each blogger is solely responsible for the content of his or her articles. Each blogger owns the copyright to the articles they upload. We do not undertake responsibility for screening or monitoring our bloggers’ materials. The opinions expressed by the bloggers are their own and are not our opinions or endorsed by us.

e) Further, we explicitly disclaim any responsibility for the accuracy, content or availability of information found on a site that links to or from the Site (a "third-party site").

(...)

But bloggers hosted by PT (and there are over 750 of them) are presumably subject, also, to the general Terms of Use under

2) Rules of Conduct

a) Posting Rules

b) Conduct Rules

 

[Wildcat]

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Looks like Psychology Today have created a 'get out of jail free/not our responsibility' clause for themselves too. The Blogs are posted under the banner of Psychology Today, many people reading Shorter's Blog thought that it was an actual published article in Psychology Today, but PT take no responsibility whatsoever for Blogs published on their site.
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Psychology Today could be said to have created a Licence for overt disability discrimination and disability hate speech to be published on their site (in the case of Shorter's articles on 'CFS').
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[Dx Revision Watch]

Looks like Psychology Today have created a 'get out of jail free/not our responsibility' clause for themselves too. The Blogs are posted under the banner of Psychology Today, many people reading Shorter's Blog thought that it was an actual published article in Psychology Today, but PT take no responsibility whatsoever for Blogs published on their site.

There are over 750 psychologists, therapists and allied professionals hosted on the PT site. Therapists and others can sign up for a blog, here

The blogs are used as platforms for creating new client and referral business for their practices, for promoting their books, CDs, videos and training packages, improving their SEO and providing a platform as an alternative to maintaining a website or as an extension to their websites etc.

It's a separate platform to the PT magazine.

I have been stressing wherever I've posted that these blogs are hosted and the articles and commentaries on them are not commissioned or under editorial control.

I know from when I was collaborating with Prof Allen Frances, who has two blogs hosted by PT, that the bloggers have a blog management area, that they upload their own content, can edit their published material, remove posts etc.

HuffPo, however, at least for some of its hosted bloggers, has editorial control of content and text would be submitted for editorial scrutiny and would sometimes be returned with requests for references, edits etc.

Yes, PT have their disclaimers for responsibility for the content of these blogs, but the blogger are still users of the site, and as such, I would think they would be subject to the general Terms of Use.

 

[Wildcat]

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@Dx Revision Watch wrote:
"The blogs are used as platforms for creating new client and referral business for their practices, for promoting their books, CDs, videos and training packages, improving their SEO and providing a platform as an alternative to maintaining a website or as an extension to their websites etc."

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So the Psychology Today Blogs are free advertising and promotions for therapists' services and goods, whilst not appearing as obvious advertisements.

Sheesh. The capitalist psychology/psychotherapy industry marketing machine takes some pretty sneaky forms.

Altruistic it ain't.
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[Dx Revision Watch]

To contrast the degree of editorial control over the articles and commentaries published on the Psychology Today blogger platform: the BMJ commentary on SSD in collaboration with Prof Allen Frances, published under the "Personal View" section, in the BMJ print and online edition, March 20, 2013: The new somatic symptom disorder in DSM-5 risks mislabeling many people as mentally ill, had four editors involved with its review, was put out for peer review to three external reviewers and underwent several revisions before acceptance.

 

[Dx Revision Watch]

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@Dx Revision Watch wrote:
"The blogs are used as platforms for creating new client and referral business for their practices, for promoting their books, CDs, videos and training packages, improving their SEO and providing a platform as an alternative to maintaining a website or as an extension to their websites etc."

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So the Psychology Today Blogs are free advertising and promotions for therapists' services and goods, whilst not appearing as obvious advertisements.

Sheesh. The capitalist psychology/psychotherapy industry marketing machine takes some pretty sneaky forms.

Altruistic it ain't.
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Yes.

 

[msf]

Psychology Today can go f*** themselves, and after that they can become real scientists.

 

[msf]

How can you write a paragraph like this without any irony?

In the nineteenth century, psychiatry fostered such an epidemic with the belief that masturbation caused insanity. Many young people obsessed for years over the thought that their “self-abuse” had caused irreparable psychic harm.

Or this one?

Another epidemic focused on the supposedly toxic mental effects of “reflex irritation” in the ovaries. Many young women would plead for ovariectomies on the grounds that their irritated ovaries were causing “hysteria.”

Who was responsible for encouraging such beliefs in patients?

And is that similar to any current medical conditions?

Moron.

 

[Dx Revision Watch]

Who was responsible for encouraging such beliefs in patients

http://collectmedicalantiques.com/gallery/vibration

http://www.explorehistoricalif.com/hysteria.html

I wondered what that round spiky attachment that came with my new hairdryer was for...

 

[Hell...Hath...No...Fury..]

I've just returned from 5 days of 'shit-pit' as someone on here brilliantly described earlier, to find this thread.

I'm sick to the back teeth of spending days/weeks going through living hell in agonizing, pitch black, silent solitary confinement, starvation, prisoner of war camp style torture only to come out the other side. Extremely grateful and immensely happy to be able to sit on a toilet again, speak, eat food, roll over, and see daylight pour through the closed blinds again.

Then get slapped in the face with this pillock of a man, this absolute clueless idiot, filled with seething venom and loathing; throwing phrases that include the words psychic and occult at us? and expect to be taken seriously. What an absolute buffoon.

Its time to make a stand against this hatred however we can, i agree with previous posters on zero tolerance. Enough is enough! His original blog should be spread far and wide showing what we have to put up with. But at the same time i'd hate to give him any more attention than he's already got because he deserves no attention.

But one thing is certain, Enough is Enough.