I would interpret his words to mean something that hasn't really been looked at before.
That would rule out leaky gut and enterovirus infection related things, or d-lactate and other stuff by Maes and Meirleir. But perhaps Cort simply isn't aware of what Maes and Meirleir think about the gut. It would be a nice surprise if some of their ideas were confirmed by an independent team.
Hi, thinking out loud here in my reply...
I'd add in my thoughts that Dr Lipkin has no authority to rule out anything jn ME or CFS. (No doctor in the
world does until patients are seen in clinic individually).
If a patient thinks they might have Leaky Gut or Enterovirus infection, or D-Lactate, go test for it privately and see. Please don't rely on CFS 'research' studies, because the person in the study is not confirmed to have anything wrong with them at all and may have a different disorder.
No CFS criteria needs to have anything proven medically wrong with the patient. So what matters more, is if you
personally have an abnormality detected, not someone who
doesn't have it.
Please note I am not suggesting you personally think or have said this as a belief system (or anyone on this forum), but I've see certain 'fanboys' of Dr Lipkin on blogs who report the research news on 'CFS' as if it's a tabloid newspaper, lots of hype which is somewhat stomach churning as it plants false hope into people diagnosed with ME or CFS, but have no idea if they actually
do. Much more caution is needed, in my view, in patients who literally have never had any tests done on them. Now for the 'experienced' patient, who's blown $50,000 on private testing and has a whole dossier of test results, and they know it all correlates with ME CFS research that's different, but I'm guessing this is rather rare.
If we look at Dr Lipkin's CFS negative papers (pathogens) 'researching' X number of people with self reported symptoms (based on chronic fatigue), it's inevitable, logically, a negative paper will happen, even consistently.
To find anything in ME CFS, the patients needs to be properly diagnosed by an expert (such as Dr Peterson/De Meirleir/Kogelnik - researchers who
do find consistent infections in patients I should add). Otherwise, if you just add people in your study from a blood draw collection with 'CFS' on a tick box form, when doing research, you're getting random blood samples out of people with Chronic Fatigue and you'll find nothing, or the odd unexpected result that is then discounted, as in the majority, nothing is found.
I'd say in terms of 'truth', of who has what in ME CFS, only individuals having tests on their own bodies for pathogens and other markers who repeatedly test negative, can then rule things out with their own physician. I'd never, ever rely on anything from ME CFS research to make me believe one way or the other. Conversely, the government love it, they can make blanket decisions from negative studies (or positive);
So don't rule yourself out of research findings positive or negative, if the inclusion and exclusion criteria of being allowed in the study to give in blood samples to be tested are so bizarre (Fukuda CFS is very bizarre) as there's still no more proof that you, or I, are 'them' in CFS research. If any researcher ever tells you dismissively
''they can't find anything in the blood'' of CFS patients' of a sizeable number researched,they aren't getting samples from people with chronic, severe, organic ME CFS.
In terms of determining any 'stunning research breakthrough'', the internet will tell us is going to make us well again, we have a statistical problem that can't be denied.
Some PWME don't have ME, they just think they do because, there is no agreed test yet (there are lots of tests, just not a definitive agreed upon test). And many PWCFS, who identify as having a horrible chronic organic CFS don't have it either, they have ME but have been indoctrinated by American healthcare services never to believe in that, and think it's the reserve of the British using a funny name (Nakatomi et al's bran scan research from Japan, shows otherwise). And then to cap it al off, you then find out that many severe ME cases is riddled with Borrelia infection anyway, but isn't technically Lyme at all and is something 'new', that hasn't been published on yet so we're all left in the dark. As is the norm.
So really, when we are told in the future, here is
your disease or you don't have this because this paper says this, it's all silly ,because no one knows who has what and I'm really feeling for the patients who don't have ME or CFS at all.
People with severe nutritional deficiencies, sleep disorders, mental illnesses, non 'ME' infections, undiagnosed MS as so forth. So many people will get tested for an alleged 'CFS' biomaker in the future and think ''but that researcher said they found the cause'' but of course, forgetting, they were misled, undiagnosed, or misdiagnosed to begin with, themselves and wasted decades joining 'CFS' groups waiting for a cure. It happens, time and time again.
I would hazard a guess if neuro ME cause was found, maybe only 10% of patients actually have it in 'CFS/ME'.
And of 'CFS' of the type Dr Lipkin studies? Who knows. Maybe only 60%. Which means millions of people in the next few years, globally will be gutted to find out, they don't have X,Y,Z when they thought they did.
That's why I avoid reading these blogs that use totally over top language to lure patients emotionally to become over excited, as it's only natural, desperately ill people want to be saved and read how this will happen. Collective mindset and all...