Olive Leaf Extract

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I’ve decided to stop the olive leaf, because that’s the most recent thing I’ve changed and have developed ectopic heart beats or palpitations (feels like massive ‘kerplunk’ when it happens), chronic nasal congestion and digestive issues like horrible gas and stomach gurgling. I’m guess the latter 2 are herx reactions but I’m sick of it and the ectopic heartbeat is really scary. I’m wondering if it increased too much conversion of T4 to T3 or something from my thyroid medicine. I have no idea.
How long until herx reactions stop after stopping this?
 

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I’ve decided to stop the olive leaf, because that’s the most recent thing I’ve changed and have developed ectopic heart beats or palpitations (feels like massive ‘kerplunk’ when it happens), chronic nasal congestion and digestive issues like horrible gas and stomach gurgling. I’m guess the latter 2 are herx reactions but I’m sick of it and the ectopic heartbeat is really scary. I’m wondering if it increased too much conversion of T4 to T3 or something from my thyroid medicine. I have no idea.
How long until herx reactions stop after stopping this?
I often get the same heart palps and sometimes that thud or ‘kerplunk’ , which is really scary, from the bacteria in my gut dying off. I also get the nasal congestion, runny nose and digestive upset from them.

The herx reactions should stop within 1-3 days from my experience. These side effects, from bacterial die-off are why so many people can't clear their bacterial overgrowth in the gut, which often causes "leaky gut" or increased intestinal permeability.

This often leads to many, many symptoms body wide. I think a big part of that is the affect lipopolysaccharides from the bacteria, have on the brain, which causes low grade brain inflammation, as ME/CFS researcher Jarred Younger has found in his research.
 

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I often get the same heart palps and sometimes that thud or ‘kerplunk’ , which is really scary, from the bacteria in my gut dying off. I also get the nasal congestion, runny nose and digestive upset from them.

The herx reactions should stop within 1-3 days from my experience. These side effects, from bacterial die-off are why so many people can't clear their bacterial overgrowth in the gut, which often causes "leaky gut" or increased intestinal permeability.

This often leads to many, many symptoms body wide. I think a big part of that is the affect lipopolysaccharides from the bacteria, have on the brain, which causes low grade brain inflammation, as ME/CFS researcher Jarred Younger has found in his research.
Gotcha. I also forgot to mention an odd scratchy/itchy sore throat unlike I’ve ever had before. I’m only stopping to ensure that’s what’s causing the palpitations and once I’m sure, I’ll try again.
 

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Gotcha. I also forgot to mention an odd scratchy/itchy sore throat unlike I’ve ever had before. I’m only stopping to ensure that’s what’s causing the palpitations and once I’m sure, I’ll try again.
A sore throat is also common from die-off, I get a mild sore throat often when I increase the dose of the herbs I take.

The lipoysaccharides I mentioned, cause in increase in the immune system, like a cold or a flu, that's what causes the congestion and the sore throat. It makes sense to stop and make sure that's what causing the symptoms.

It also might make you a little more comfortable with the die-off symptoms. Knowing that is what they are.
 

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I’ve decided to stop the olive leaf, because that’s the most recent thing I’ve changed and have developed ectopic heart beats or palpitations (feels like massive ‘kerplunk’ when it happens), chronic nasal congestion and digestive issues like horrible gas and stomach gurgling. I’m guess the latter 2 are herx reactions but I’m sick of it and the ectopic heartbeat is really scary. I’m wondering if it increased too much conversion of T4 to T3 or something from my thyroid medicine. I have no idea.
How long until herx reactions stop after stopping this?
Olive leaf has a couple of annoyances from my experience. It lowers the blood pressure, which can be bad if you already have autonomic nervous system issues as many of us do. The last brand I used also seemed to reduce my stomach acid and cause indigestion of foods especially on larger dosages. It also seems that olive leaf could increase thyroid hormones as you suspected, at least according to this source.

I have found olive leaf to be one of the strongest natural antibacterials, but this strength comes with some side effects. Luckily there are plenty of other antimicrobial herbs and there is no reason to think only olive leaf will work in this regard.
 

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Olive leaf has a couple of annoyances from my experience. It lowers the blood pressure, which can be bad if you already have autonomic nervous system issues as many of us do. The last brand I used also seemed to reduce my stomach acid and cause indigestion of foods especially on larger dosages. It also seems that olive leaf could increase thyroid hormones as you suspected, at least according to this source.

I have found olive leaf to be one of the strongest natural antibacterials, but this strength comes with some side effects. Luckily there are plenty of other antimicrobial herbs and there is no reason to think only olive leaf will work in this regard.
I don’t have autonomic nervous system issues like POTs or anything, but borderline high blood pressure. I was actually hoping it did lower my blood pressure but I’ve given up on that and went back on telmisartan a few days ago. I’m really hoping the kerplunks go away quickly.

What other antimicrobials are there that are good for both Lyme and Candida?