Heavy Metals poisoning, Autism and detox

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Toxed said:
@Kina, I already provided the citations
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The research you cited doesn't disagree with the science that already exists. You seem to be extrapolating new meaning from the research.

I beg your pardon. I was told that all people with chronic conditions were welcome here... ? I was under the the impression that many of the people here were still struggling to get official diagnosis. Are they viewed as second class citizens here, as well?
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Please don't accuse me of treating members as second class citizens. I don't think I deserve that nor did I mean anything by my comment.

It's very difficult for members with ME/CFS who are responding to members who have chronic fatigue or other diagnoses. A lot of what is posted by non ME-patients just doesn't apply to ME patients and responding takes up our energy resources. At times it takes me hours to respond to a post and really I want to know who I am responding to -- do they have ME. This forum is for patients with ME (suspected or diagnosed), carers, and interested researchers. Lately it has become an environment for all sorts to post about general health issues. Yesterday we got spammed with a whole bunch of posts from a very buff and healthy man just because he saw that some posts on the forum had to do with his particular health issue. Members are here to discuss ME so yes we do want to know how your particular health status relates to ME. I wasn't trying to be rude. I genuinely wanted to know how your lymphatic issues related to you posting here.

I am still interested in how you think your lymphatic issues fits in with ME/CFS.

FYI, I developed CFS in 1983. It wasn't very well understood at the time and anyone who supported it was a whack-o. We've sure come a long way, thanks to the efforts of alternative practitioners allopathic practitioners and researchers, alike. In 1998 I received my first diagnosis of Fibromyalgia (and CFS) from a panel of MDs in varying specialties. In 2002 I received a second, confirming Fibro/CFS diagnosis from an eminent West Coast neurologist.
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I wasn't questioning your diagnosis, I was wondering how your lympathic issues relate to your diagnosis.

My problems with glutathione "fit into the ME/CFS" paradigm because they are all related immuno-compromised conditions.
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Most have no idea what causes ME. One would think that your problems with glutathione, even though related, is a diagnosis unto itself. I wish I had a diagnosis like that.

Lymphadenopathy, like the other examples of more detailed science that I provided you, on the lymph system, is a lot more varied than what a cursory wikipedia or chacha definition reveals.
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I learned about the lymphatic system from a few specialist professors at the University of Western Ontario, not stupid Wikipedia. I guess I will bow out of this conversation because you obviously don't want to discuss the science. I just wanted to add that some of the stuff you are posting about the human body doesn't seem quite right. There is a lot of outrageous misinformation about toxins out there. Being a forum, it's fine to question the science behind what members are posting about.

I still have no idea what 'toxins' you are referring to.
 
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Kina said:
I still have no idea what 'toxins' you are referring to.
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There are hundreds of thousands of chemicals used in products like perfumes, laundry detergent, fire retardents on mattresses. They require processing by your liver.

So with that fact, it follows that some people's livers may not process those chemicals as well as others' do.

Ask someone who gets severe "highs" and then headaches from perfume. Really, just because most people can detox the chemicals in perfume, laundry detergent, doesn't mean everyone can.

The liver has proven cycles to neutralize things, like the P450 process that affects the metabolism of some prescription drugs.

Some sites supporting all this, including citations from MDs:

http://arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/multiple-chemical-sensitivity-mcs/

http://discovermagazine.com/2013/nov/13-allergic-life

http://www.chemicalsensitivityfoundation.org/

http://sanjosefuncmed.com/successful-aging-part-7c-chemical-exposure-problem/

Lucky people who detox all this junk in their own livers often do not try to imagine what life is like for those who can't.
 
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South said:
There are hundreds of thousands of chemicals used in products like perfumes, laundry detergent, fire retardents on mattresses. They require processing by your liver.

So with that fact, it follows that some people's livers may not process those chemicals as well as others' do.

Ask someone who gets severe "highs" and then headaches from perfume. Really, just because most people can detox the chemicals in perfume, laundry detergent, doesn't mean everyone can.

The liver has proven cycles to neutralize things, like the P450 process that affects the metabolism of some prescription drugs.

Some sites supporting all this, including citations from MDs:

http://arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/multiple-chemical-sensitivity-mcs/

http://discovermagazine.com/2013/nov/13-allergic-life

http://www.chemicalsensitivityfoundation.org/

http://sanjosefuncmed.com/successful-aging-part-7c-chemical-exposure-problem/

Lucky people who detox all this junk in their own livers often do not try to imagine what life is like for those who can't.
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Yes @South I understand all that about what is in the environment and how the body detoxes various chemicals etc. That wasn't what I was getting at all. I had a time in my life where I was on a particularly nasty medication and my liver stopped functioning properly, I got really sick. Luckily it was all resolved by not taking the medication anymore. I was just trying to clarify some statements that were being made about the human body and the way it works because it didn't sound right to me.

Thanks for the links -- I personally believe that the chemicals in the environment are causing huge problems for some - no denying that.
 
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@Toxed wrote When Dr. Smith told me about those nitrotyrosine results I went digging. I ran search engines on "toxins" and " austism" together. I stumbled, by the grace of God, onto a brilliant researcher by the name of Karen Slimak. She was running trials with autistic kids and adults that involved dietary and environmental toxins. In her research she found that it was necessary to eliminate ALL toxins. In fact she noticed that the kids were addicted to them. When the team removed all the known toxins they discovered that the kids exhibited some strange behaviors. They would sniff laundry. Upon investigation they found residual laundry product fragrances, saliva, or urine. The latter two were from the kids and offgassing the toxins resolving from their bodies. They removed all those type of sources. The kids would then put their heads under their clothes or blankets and huff their own breath to get at the toxins that were resolving from their lungs. They also had kids that would stand with their noses to cracks in the door, next to the windows or along the walls. They were huffing the toxins moving around the walls from the outside. When they sealed those up and detoxed the kids, ALL, even the most severely autistic kids returned to nearly normal mental and physical health. They returned to memory/learning at the point before they first became afflicted. She ran her trials for 30+ years, and helped hundreds of kids. Why haven't most people heard about it? There's no money in it.
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That is amazing, as I remember doing the same thing in my childhood. Great name btw. I am toxed too, starting with mercury poisoning from 'teething powders' which were 50% mercury, and in hospital severely ill at 5 months old. After then, I suffered immune insufficiency and endocrine disruption and other ME symptoms the whole of my childhood. I had other exposures from playing with a jar full of mercury.

But I remember walking to school and having to pass a filling station, and I would pause so I could inhale the fumes from the petrol which made me high. I was about 10 at the time. Later I had a massive exposure to pesticide which nearly killed me but I slowly recovered by avoiding chemicals in the home and eating organic vegatables.

I believe that I am aspie after doing an online test two years ago and obtaining peer confirmation on forums. It explained all of the problems that I had socially and educationally. No-one else in my family had the mercury exposures and they were not sick like me. There was a group for 'pinkies' that started in Australia but it did not last and there is no way I can find out what he percentage uf us have ASD but it would be interesting to know but we are dying out now. A high percentage of children and granchildren of pinkies have ASD. Mercury passes the placenta. I suspect my children and grandchild are too but they oppose the idea.
 
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That is amazing, as I remember doing the same thing in my childhood. Great name btw. I am toxed too, starting with mercury poisoning from 'teething powders' which were 50% mercury, and in hospital severely ill at 5 months old. After then, I suffered immune insufficiency and endocrine disruption and other ME symptoms the whole of my childhood. I had other exposures from playing with a jar full of mercury.

But I remember walking to school and having to pass a filling station, and I would pause so I could inhale the fumes from the petrol which made me high. I was about 10 at the time. Later I had a massive exposure to pesticide which nearly killed me but I slowly recovered by avoiding chemicals in the home and eating organic vegatables.
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Hi @brenda

I also found that information on autistic children seeking out toxicity to be remarkable. Your own experience at age 10 of stopping to inhale petrol fumes is also most interesting. I found your account of your experience with teething powders containing 50% mercury to be almost unbelievable.

I did a quick search, and discovered most mercury was removed from those powders around 1954, but were widely used in the English speaking world for most of the first half of the 20th century. Perhaps medical authorities were too obsessed with the marijuana scourge and didn't notice or get around to the "pink babies" who were being massively poisoned.

Thanks @Toxed for sharing some of your research and information. I did a google search on Karen Slimak and discovered a most interesting article - "Doctor plans novel treatment for autism. Here's the first paragraph from the article:

"With childhood autism cases skyrocketing and no cure in sight, doctors at the Children's Institute in Squirrel Hill are planning on a Hail Mary pass approach to the mysterious disorder -- housing young patients for weeks at a time in a pollutant-free "clean room," in an attempt to detoxify their bodies."​
 
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Hi @Wayne

The medical authorities had actually been warned about mercury since the start of the 20th century, but as usual, ignored it. They knew about mercury poisoning since the 'mad hatter' days. But why change something when a lot of money is being made?

By the early 50's they knew that 25% of the babies who were not detoxing the mercury and so became sick, were dying and because of dehydration which was corrected at the time I was born.

There has been only one study of us 'pinkies' (due to the reddening of the extremities during mercury poisonin), and that was the one which showed a much higher degree of autism amongst their children and grandchildren.

I guess that one had to stay under wraps. :mad:
 
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