Glutamine or Ornithine Alpha-Ketoglutarate

[heapsreal]

In summary, ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate provides a strong releaser of growth hormone, a ready source of glutamate and glutamine, is an anti-catabolic, a big stimulus to the insulin drive, a source of arginine, a support for the immune system and is an ammonia scavenger.( 7) Any athlete who uses just glutamine is giving away a potent edge.

http://www.encognitive.com/node/11534

My doctor has recommended OKG to lower ammonia, which is an irritant to the nervous system and ammonia is associated with issues in reguards to sleep, pain, anxiety to name a few. Lowering ammonia can help with some of these issues.

 

[minkeygirl]

You gonna give it a shot?

 

[heapsreal]

You gonna give it a shot?

its on the cards, when i have the funds.

 

[Ema]

In summary, ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate provides a strong releaser of growth hormone, a ready source of glutamate and glutamine, is an anti-catabolic, a big stimulus to the insulin drive, a source of arginine, a support for the immune system and is an ammonia scavenger.( 7) Any athlete who uses just glutamine is giving away a potent edge.

http://www.encognitive.com/node/11534

My doctor has recommended OKG to lower ammonia, which is an irritant to the nervous system and ammonia is associated with issues in reguards to sleep, pain, anxiety to name a few. Lowering ammonia can help with some of these issues.

Doesn't arginine exacerbate herpes viral infections (including EBV/CMV) or is that just an urban legend?

 

[heapsreal]

Doin sn't arginine exacerbate herpes viral infections (including EBV/CMV) or is that just an urban legend?

I asked the doc about that and he said not In this form. My understanding is it helps increase glutamine levels by using ammonia? ? So lowers ammonia and benefits of glutamine this way is enhance immune function and reduce catabolism. It's a way to use arginine without affecting herpes infections?

 

[heapsreal]

OKG has advantages over ordinary glutamine supplementation in those treating alcoholism, leaky gut syndrome, heavy metal toxicity and allergic states where ammonia accumulation and brain fog is a factor.1 Glutamine taken alone can promote restlessness and agitation over time rather like a caffeine buzz. But more seriously under certain conditions the intestines can boil up Glutamine into glutamate and during this breakdown toxic ammonia can be released into the bloodstream. OKG with its alpha keto-glutarate portion is a safer option because the level of glutamine it is made into is limited by the amount of excess ammonia being dumped by the body. Any unwanted ammonia is promptly escorted out of the body in the form of urea that can be excreted by the kidneys. In this way brain fog-inducing ammonia can be cleared as you train improving mental alacrity and promoting a positive mental attitude to fitness.

http://www.psychiatrywithoutdrugs.co.uk/okg.htm

 

[heapsreal]

http://purebulk.com/l-ornithine-alpha-ketoglutarate-okg.html#.U7Y14ZSSySo

Thought i would post a well priced source of OKG as i have found it hard to find a good source.
This is in a powder form so need to either cap them yourself which i will do or add the powder to water and drink it i guess??

 

[Ema]

What dose are you taking of the OKG, @heapsreal?

 

[minkeygirl]

Found this http://www.amazon.com/Source-Natura...407788248&sr=8-1&keywords=source+naturals+OKG

 

[minkeygirl]

I just found another powder that is double the amount for slightly more, Nutribio. Not as cheap as that bulk place though. How many capsules would you have to take to equal the dose of a teaspoon?

Not as cheap but still good.

http://www.bulksupplements.com/l-ornithine-a-ketoglutarate-okg.html

 

[heapsreal]

What dose are you taking of the OKG, @heapsreal?

I'm taking 2000mg at night when I go to sleep. My sleep feels very similar to when I take yucca, so feel it is also having an effect possibly on ammonia.

occasionally I take it mid morning or afternoon when I feel tired and wired or just get a headache, it seems to help some.

 

[minkeygirl]

I can't take Yucca at night. It messes up my sleep, but that could be because my brain is screwed up right now. I wonder what OKG would do to it?

 

[Jarod]

tried okg felt terrible. no extra glutamate needed here. Taking gaba instead before bed turned out to be better in my situation. for the excitotoxicty feeling.

 

[kel88]

And have you

In summary, ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate provides a strong releaser of growth hormone, a ready source of glutamate and glutamine, is an anti-catabolic, a big stimulus to the insulin drive, a source of arginine, a support for the immune system and is an ammonia scavenger.( 7) Any athlete who uses just glutamine is giving away a potent edge.

http://www.encognitive.com/node/11534

My doctor has recommended OKG to lower ammonia, which is an irritant to the nervous system and ammonia is associated with issues in reguards to sleep, pain, anxiety to name a few. Lowering ammonia can help with some of these issues.

And did you use it? And did it help for lowering ammonia?
Wat is best to take? This one or : arginine citruline ornithine?

in very curious what it did to you

 

[fablepd]

Hi to everybody. Need some help from you . I have odd reaction in L-ornithine supplementation. While usually it helps , after 30' of ingestion of a 500mg L-ornithine (I use the Solgar product) i fall into deep sleep. Well, I discovered by chance that it's the best to sleep well in the night but the problem is:

1) i already suffer from hypersomnia, so it's not the wanted effect
2) it should lower ammonia, so it should help vigilance and energy and not cause to sleep
3) i don't know if the sleepiness induced by L-ornithine in my body is a negative effect or it is positive, for example because it start a detoxification process.

Anyone can help me to discover why i can have this odd effect and what could be the cause ? if i solve the hypersomnia problem for me it'd be great ! Thank you so much.

 

[valentinelynx]

http://purebulk.com/l-ornithine-alpha-ketoglutarate-okg.html#.U7Y14ZSSySo

Thought i would post a well priced source of OKG as i have found it hard to find a good source.
This is in a powder form so need to either cap them yourself which i will do or add the powder to water and drink it i guess??

I just put it in water and drink it. Haven't used it for awhile just because I take sooo many supplements, but I was taking 1 1/2 teaspoons per day before dinner. It is very sour, but I kinda liked the taste.

 

[renski]

tried okg felt terrible. no extra glutamate needed here. Taking gaba instead before bed turned out to be better in my situation. for the excitotoxicty feeling.

Did you try the L-Ornithine-AKG? I asked a friend about this and apparently it shouldn't have that issue..

Yes, I would use it bound to ornithine though, so you can get Ornithine-AKG. That's what I would use. I think I may have recommended it to you originally. Just using AKG can have the effect of increasing glutamates and thus anxiety and wakefulness. Just something to be aware of.

 

[renski]

L-citrulline is another option for ammonia

 

[linusbert]

i am right now at the choice of taking Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Ornithine-Alpha-Ketoglurate.
which should i get?

the AAKG is from my trusted shop, they offer only AAKG and no OKG. there i am safe from cheap chinese products and impurities.

also would i need to add lysine as well, just to balance arginine? i dont think i have virus problems, but i dont want to trigger something new.

 

[Consul]

i am right now at the choice of taking Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate or Ornithine-Alpha-Ketoglurate.
which should i get?

the AAKG is from my trusted shop, they offer only AAKG and no OKG. there i am safe from cheap chinese products and impurities.

also would i need to add lysine as well, just to balance arginine? i dont think i have virus problems, but i dont want to trigger something new.

Did you benefit from a-ketoglutarate? According to Phairs theory there should be ammonia released when energy is getting low in the brain.