SilverbladeTE
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Elections should be abolished. People should be drafted into politics...
I agree and have said for some years now that we need "Democracy by Lottery"
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Elections should be abolished. People should be drafted into politics...
As has already been mentioned- im just terrified of the 12 billion in welfare cuts- no doubt the ESA is being redesigned to get people off regardless of ill health. The nightmare is only just beginning. What on earth are PWME and others to do if told fit to work when very ill?
but if you are told you are fit to work, then the problem is your GP
The NHS does not decide whether someone is "fit for work" in terms of benefits. The assessment is made by a private, for-profit company, who are paid large sums from taxpayer money with the brief to deny a basic standard of living to as many ill and disabled people as they can get away with.
It is a completely political decision.
As has already been mentioned- im just terrified of the 12 billion in welfare cuts- no doubt the ESA is being redesigned to get people off regardless of ill health. The nightmare is only just beginning. What on earth are PWME and others to do if told fit to work when very ill?
That is absolutely dreadful. People that actually understand medicine and have spent their life getting an MD degree should decide who's able to work or not - not some stupid bureaucrat.
That is absolutely dreadful. People that actually understand medicine and have spent their life getting an MD degree should decide who's able to work or not - not some stupid bureaucrat.
The assessment of whether you're fit for work was done by Atos , now will be bThat is absolutely dreadful. People that actually understand medicine and have spent their life getting an MD degree should decide who's able to work or not - not some stupid bureaucrat.
It’s the politicians who set the criteria- for eg. in 2013 a new criteria was introduced that people can only score points on EITHER the ‘physical’ or the ‘mental /cognitive’ but if you have ME you should be assessed on both because it affects both. Ie. so you wont score and wont get as many points( 15 are needed to pass), making it more likely you’ll fail and hey presto , are ‘fit for work- go get a job you lazy scum’. No doubt more changes like this will be in the offing. The conservative party are the worst in this regard- you’re either a skiver or a striver. Things can only get worse and a diagnosis in itself is not enough- sounds like Norway is a more compassionate place in some regards.That is absolutely dreadful. People that actually understand medicine and have spent their life getting an MD degree should decide who's able to work or not - not some stupid bureaucrat.
The assessment of whether you're fit for work was done by Atos , now will be b
It’s the politicians who set the criteria- for eg. in 2013 a new criteria was introduced that people can only score points on EITHER the ‘physical’ or the ‘mental /cognitive’ but if you have ME you should be assessed on both because it affects both. Ie. so you wont score and wont get as many points( 15 are needed to pass), making it more likely you’ll fail and hey presto , are ‘fit for work- go get a job you lazy scum’. No doubt more changes like this will be in the offing. The conservative party are the worst in this regard- you’re either a skiver or a striver. Things can only get worse and a diagnosis in itself is not enough- sounds like Norway is a more compassionate place in some regards.
Sorry I havn’t explained it-there’s a form with questions split into PHYSICAL factors eg.being able to walk etc) and MENTAL (BUT this also includes cognitive functioning eg. concentration problems not just mental). You need to score 15 points to pass and be declared unfit for work. So they’re saying you can only fill one section in- but ‘ mental’ also refers to bad brain functioning – after all if you cant think properly how can you work- mine’s dreadful and I can only concentrate in very small bursts in between many hours of lying down, which is hardly conducive to work. It’s an attempt to cut the no’s of eligibility regardless of health needs. So this situation will only get worse especially as there is general public support for cutting welfare- the softest option. if you want a quick perusal of the form do an internet search for : ESA 50 UK and it should come up.That sounds strange. So to pass it you have to have ME AND be mentally ill?
If they rule out a mental disease why on earth would that matter? Then it the only thing that should be taken into account is your physical state.
It's a bit amusing and a bit depressing to see delender2k struggle to comprehend how dire the system in the UK is.
Ummm..... who exactly is figuratively dying in the gutter in the ME world? Are UK patients getting even minimal medical treatment for ME/CFS? At least here in the US we have the vast majority of the ME/CFS specialists using conventional medical treatment (not CBT, GET, and antidepressants) to treat ME/CFS... and most of those specialists and treatments are covered by insurance. So it looks to me like you guys are the ones dying in the gutter with your supposedly superior system, not us.Spare us the American 'freedom' to die in the gutter as no-one lifts a finger.