From Bedbound to Fit and Able in 14 Days: Effects of the Amazonian Medicine Kambo on a CFS Patient

[frozenborderline]

I would have liked to try deltorphin also, but that was also around $200 to buy a tiny amount.

I found the pure dermorphin worked pretty well in terms of reducing brain fog and other ME/CFS symptoms, and I think could potentially be the basis of a viable treatment for ME/CFS if it were researched and developed by a drug company. Or at least dermorphin's mechanism of action could be the basis of an ME/CFS treatment.

(I got these mild psychosis and severe emotional flatness symptoms as a side effect of taking dermorphin, but I am prone to these symptoms; so this may not be an issue with ME/CFS patients in general).

Did any other people who tried this get concerning mental or emotional side effects. ? I would also be curious about the anyibacterial and adenosine-affecting constituents of kambo. I wonder what it would be like to take all of the alkaloids besides the purge-inducing ones. Have you considered that?

 

[Billt]

Anybody else try this Kambo ?

 

[GlassCannonLife]

Bump! Anyone try this?

 

[hmnr asg]

I contacted a kambo "shaman" but she said she can't administer it to me because I'm on the antidepressant cymbalta and she said it could cause a bad reaction. I'm planning to get off cymbalta so I can try it.
So, not yet, but I will let everyone know once I try it.

 

[GlassCannonLife]

I contacted a kambo "shaman" but she said she can't administer it to me because I'm on the antidepressant cymbalta and she said it could cause a bad reaction. I'm planning to get off cymbalta so I can try it.
So, not yet, but I will let everyone know once I try it.

Hah, cool, that sounds awesome. Yes please let us know! Imagine if it's the cure for ME lol wouldn't that be fun. The shamans had it all along!

Edit: Oh apparently it has been scheduled as a posion in Australia as of last year and is completely banned. Used to be available through rituals here as well prior to that.

 

[iliketoread]

Hi, I recently heard about Kambo on a yt video by a woman who says it cured her so I found someone out in the suburbs by me and went 3 days in a row 3 weeks ago and did Kambo. It is difficult to explain the experience. I'm not cured, but I think it helped me. Since doing it I have been very clear in my emotions like I can feel what I feel very easily and process it easily. I didn't realize that my feelings were so blocked before, I think about things a lot throughout the day so I guess I assume I'm feeling things, but after Kambo I am much more aware of what I'm feeling. I can enter states of relaxation and calm much easier than before. It's given me a much more positive outlook and more positive emotions and more optimism. People aren't kidding when they say it makes things more clear.

Since I've been implementing more active relaxation techniques mind body techniques over the last many months, since trying Kambo has really elevated my practices and that alone I think is very helpful. I've been able to shut off the tv/social media, spend time hanging out alone, looking out the window, journaling, etc.

I would like to do it again now I feel like a few more sessions would make me feel even better, but I think I'm going to wait a couple of months at least. I think with Kambo it's the kind of thing where you see benefits over time bc it makes you change some of your thinking and feelings and behaviors.

 

[Hip]

Since doing it I have been very clear in my emotions like I can feel what I feel very easily and process it easily. I didn't realize that my feelings were so blocked before, I think about things a lot throughout the day so I guess I assume I'm feeling things, but after Kambo I am much more aware of what I'm feeling. I can enter states of relaxation and calm much easier than before. It's given me a much more positive outlook and more positive emotions and more optimism. People aren't kidding when they say it makes things more clear.

That's very interesting. I find the blocked/blunted emotions of ME/CFS, and also the anhedonia I get, one of the most dehumanising aspects of this disease. Much of the meaning in life revolves around human emotions, so when these emotions are weak or absent, it tends to take meaning from your life.

 

[Hip]

Another report (from Reddit user Arpeggio_Miette) of kambo placing an ME/CFS patient into remission for a few days, after which they slowly start getting worse again, and return to baseline:

Kambo is the # 1 thing (along with Valtrex and SAM-e) that has helped my ME/CFS. Each time I do it, I feel like I am in remission for a couple days, then I slowly get worse and go back to how I was before. Except, not as bad. My baseline is slightly higher than before.

And this happens almost every time I do Kambo (some don’t seem to help as much, and the Kambo session where I fainted and hit my head and got a mild concussion understandably made me worse due to the concussion). So my baseline has been slowly going up as I do more Kambo treatments (and I am careful to not get up if I feel like I might faint).

No, Kambo is NOT fun. I would say that for 1/4 of my sessions, I am beyond miserable, lying down completely weak and in extremely horrible unbearable discomfort, crying for my late mom and begging for it to stop. Luckily, that is not the usual experience, in which the extreme discomfort is bearable and only lasts maybe 5 or 10 minutes.

But it has helped me so much, that I am planning to become trained to self-administer the medicine so that I can have more frequent and more affordable treatments.

The difference in my abilities a year and a half ago (when I had my first Kambo session) and now (after 12 Kambo treatments) is huge. And it really helped my POTS; I was dependent on low-dose propranolol to manage my POTS before Kambo. Now I rarely ever take the propranolol; I no longer need it.

As you can see, Arpeggio_Miette did not enjoy the kambo sessions!

But note that you can try daily kambo microdosing instead of taking the full dose. I believe Jox evetually switched to microdosing (Jox is the person whose ME/CFS remissions via kambo I reported in this thread).

I actually tried some microdose sessions with a kambo stick I bought. I took 1 mg of kambo powder intranasally (took some kambo from the stick and crushed into a powder, then snorted).

Snorting kambo is NOT recommended though, as there can be an infectious pathogen present in kambo, which can cause an incurable heart and brain illness called the "frog's disease" (detailed in this post). However, at the time, I was not aware of the frog's disease.

If it were not for the frog's disease risk, snorting kambo would be a viable mode of administration (much better than getting permanent scars via the skin burn method).

I was looking into trying to sterilise a kambo stick by sending it away to be gamma irradiated. Then it should be safe to snort kambo powder. But unfortunately I could not find a gamma irradiation service open to the public.

Here is my report from my 1 mg snorting sesssion, which I did in 2012:

Intranasal 1 mg kambo has a very fast acting effect: I went bright red as blood rushed to my skin (a bit like a niacin flush), and there was some increase in heart rate, plus a very, very slight feeling of nausea, and some intestinal rumblings, but nowhere near actually physically getting sick, only the mildest hint of it.

The whole thing lasted less than 5 minutes.

No mental state changes occurred at all during this experience: I remained calm, focused and mentally the same throughout. So there are no psychoactive effects to kambo.

I did not notice any improvements to my ME/CFS from this microdose session, but maybe you would have to do a week or so of daily microdosing to get benefits.