Filgotinib (JAK1 inhibitor) future of CFS/ME treatment?

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I wonder what 12mg of Baricitinib is compared Rinvoq and Filgotinib? I took that dose today. Prior been on 8mg for 10 days, and 4 mg about 5 or 6 days so far,. The upper dose of Baricitinib is 8mg so I’m probably in uncharted territory unless anyone has seen anything written on a 12mg dose?

I’ll do this for a week more, and maybe if I feel ok will try do to weeks. But probably too risky to continue after that.
I cannot give you an answer, but these Pharmacokinetics graphs attached might give you some insights.
– I do not remember now where I got it from but I think it was from a Paper Study based on comparing new Filgotinib versus other Jak-Stat inhibitors.

It measured JAK-1 inhibition overtime - hours:
- FIL = Filgotinib
- BARI = Baricitinib
- UPA = Upadacitinib (Rinvoq)
- TOFA = Tofacitinib (Xeljanz)

I don’t know how they exactly measured this, and the devil is in the detail.
Also all these Jak-Stat inhibitors have (slightly) different methods of action, so you cannot compare this one on one.
 

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To clarify, if 200 mg of Filgotinib has equal potency with 15 mg of Rinvoq, then 500 mg of Filgotinib would be equivalent to 37.5 mg of Rinvoq.

Do you remember what he meant exactly with with Potency? :
– both JAK1 inhibition and JAK2 inhibition?
- possibly a better / different / longer consistent form of inhibition?
- maybe crossing the blood brain barrier?
- Other factors ?

I know the Pharmacological Parameters Ki and Vd are important, per dosage - To give a hint about the fraction of cells taking up the drug:
Ki = the inhibition constant of the drug for its target
Vd = effective volume of distribution of the drug
 
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Just to add: these are the 2 different ideas / train of thoughts for the how Jak-Stat inhibitors.could improve ME CFS patients:

1) K. de Meirleir (KDM)
- KDM thinks filgotinib will inhibit various JAK /STAT pathways so that the dendritic cells in the MICROBIOME will be extinguished and intestinal immunity will be given a chance to normalise.
- Long term courses are required to see effect

2) Itaconate Shunt Theory - Robert Phair
If the issue lies with the itaconate shunt, it needs to be ensured that an effective concentration reaches nearly all the cells trapped within that pathway. Specifically, it’s crucial to cross the blood-brain barrier with the drug.
The itaconate shunt theory suggests that the severity of the disease and its symptoms are related to the quantity and types of cells affected by the shunt. Thus, symptom alleviation is contingent on delivering sufficient medication to a significant number of affected cells
The aim of therapy is to reach or exceed the Ki concentration at the drug’s action site. Extending the duration of treatment is possibly/maybe unnecessary for longer illnesses or higher severity.
What is essential is that an effective concentration of the inhibitor is present in the cytosol of the affected cells.

- So following this last theory, a Short course(s) of High dose could break Itaconate Shunt (stop all interferon alpha (??) signaling - if I understand correctly)
 
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Hey it took about 6 months to see noticeable effects.
Then after one year I reached my peak and now I feel better when weaning off.

I was on 1 tablet per day for a year, now I'm already down to 1 tablet per 72 hours and planning on going to 1 per 4 days soon and hopefully I can completely stop this year.

It's incredibly powerful and has changed my life!

Filgo made it possible for me to stop taking both Gammanorm and Normix which previously I could not live without for even 1 day.
Hi Sam d.
Where you on 1 x100mg or 1x200mg tablet per day?
If anyone else knows please let me know thanks .
 

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Here is the personal story of the lady that is in remission from Rinvoq.

It’s the same anecdote as in the thread above.

Very interesting what she mentions about cytokine-storm.
- what strikes me as odd is that normally a cytokine storm comes with fever, high heart rate, etc.

https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2024/11/20/jen-rinvoq-chronic-fatigue-recovery/
Hey thanks for posting this. How about posting it as a thread though, so it would get more attention. You would just have to delete this post and then repost as a thread in this section.
 
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I cannot give you an answer, but these Pharmacokinetics graphs attached might give you some insights.
– I do not remember now where I got it from but I think it was from a Paper Study based on comparing new Filgotinib versus other Jak-Stat inhibitors.

It measured JAK-1 inhibition overtime - hours:
- FIL = Filgotinib
- BARI = Baricitinib
- UPA = Upadacitinib (Rinvoq)
- TOFA = Tofacitinib (Xeljanz)

I don’t know how they exactly measured this, and the devil is in the detail.
Also all these Jak-Stat inhibitors have (slightly) different methods of action, so you cannot compare this one on one.
Think it was obtained form here…

https://www.researchgate.net/public...rthritis_An_Overview_from_Clinical_Trials#pf4
 

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It may take a great deal of time to yield any positive results but let’s not forget reports of an individual in Australia being “cured” within 3 days. Ron Davis’s words not mine.
@DonPepe What was the patient on to be cured in 3 days in Australia? ME/CFS or LC?
 

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yes he did order a bunch of test as he does during every consult but I almost never take them to save costs. I wanted to save as much money as possible for the treatment itself. Plus you very quickly get a feel for how good or bad you are doing. If you would really feel a lot worse then just stop taking it. Otherwise, be prepared to sit through some discomfort. It's worth it in the end ;)
Are you still on this medicine now and dosage how long? & Are you fully recovered?
 
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Feedback: n=10
1. ++ (moderate-severe - effect 30% after 15 months - stopped)
2. -/+ (moderate/severe - 5% - stopped after 3 months due to side effects)
3. -/+ (mild - 5% - stopped after 3 months due to infection)
4. + (mild - 25-30% - then plateau reached - stopped)
5. -/+ (mild-moderate effect 20-30% over 7 months - Stopped - too expensive, relapse?)
6. + (moderate - 20-25% - 1.5 years - Difficulty quitting / withdrawal causes relapse)
7. -/+ (10% - stopped due to side effects (intestines)
8. -/+ (moderate 25% +/- 1 year (- 100 mg p/d), more energy, cognitive + gut better - but LC setback)
9. ++ (severe - 25-50% - 'my daughter improved on Filgotinib, it saved her life' - Euthanasia was cancelled)
10. - (LongCovid - no success - Short course of treatment, just a few weeks)
Together with another patient, I took this survey and added all the anecdotes we could find online
(if possible asking for additional information thru DM, etc)

Survey of n= 35 Self-reported anecdotes ME (incl LC with PEM) patients of All different JAK-inhibitors

👉🏻 49% had significant improvement (= more than 10%)
👉🏻 20% did not benefit at all *

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*Inclusion criteria:
- PEM one of the core symptoms
- 2nd hand anecdotes w/out dosing info + duration info excluded
- Trials < 1 month - with nó improvement - excluded (too short treatment duration)


Remarks:
A) Relative high amount patients with autoimmune comorbidities - they have easier access to JAK-inhibitors
- so improvements in fatigue can have confounders
B) Not aware of any self-reported permanent worsening ME symptoms after trial
C) Some patients did STOP JAK-inh despite improvement because of side effects or adverse event
E.g. liver issues, elevated creatinine, gut inflammation, low tolerance medicine in general, infection, Low white blood cells, etc
- Filgotinib might have least side effects (?)
D) Most patients took 💊 for > 4 months
- Part of patients stopped 💊 protocol because of financial reason (no prescription, no insurance coverage)
E) Some of the anecdotes & results were reported / confirmed by an ME-specialist


Disclaimers :
1) results might be too ‘optimistic’ - because of:
- positive bias - easier to find self-reporting positive anecdotes (?)
- negative experiences less likely to respond (?)
- Inclusion Mild ME + short duration LC might skew results
2) ‘Low-quality’ survey : meaning n=35 data collected online (when possible with direct contact for details)
3) JAK-inhibitors are strong immune suppressors/modulators with side effects - should be monitored with blood panels from Lab, etc. - under surveillance of a doctor
 
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Why do they use the JAK-1 inhibitors? I am not seeing any JAK in my gene tests results? I do see the Li- Fraumneni heterozygous Cancer Family hereditary gene for TP53.

I am using 750mg daily 250+500mg of Tudca once daily for NIH WASF3 findings in Li-Fraumeni
 
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Why do they use the JAK-1 inhibitors? I am not seeing any JAK in my gene tests results?
My understanding is it is to inhibit too much out of control Interferon (IFN) and cytokine chatter between cells. The drug is for the settling down the Innate immune response, which is hypothesised to be locked on in ME/CFS. i.e. a constant immune response from the first part of the immune system. Normally in the early stages of an infection IFN and other cytokines will tell cells to stop utilising as much glucose as possible, in order to prevent pathogens that use glucose, from multiplying. hence why people feel weak during infection and ME/CFS. An alternative sluggish energy production system starts using amino acids as fuel instead.

So if you can turn off or dial down a specific part or parts of the innate immune response then the loop that’s been locked on in ME/CFS hopefully turns off and resets back to normal.

Several people have had 25% improvements and I heard of 2 maybe 3 people now who have had full recoveries without needing to stay on the drug.

So this pathway maybe a huge clue what to is going on in ME/CFS and Long Covid (with PEM)

On YouTube’Robert Phair’s Itaconate Shunt hypothesis’ is explained (Janet Dafoe interviews him)
He suggests JAK STAT inhibitors as a possible way to dial down IFN communication
 

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hi,

I thought I would add my experience to the thread of useing Tofacitinib.

I took 1 5mg tablet a day. After 3 days my IBS ceased. I also noticed that after a couple of weeks the seberic dermatitis I have around my nose and cheeks also ceased.

I upt the medication to 2 x5mg a day but didn’t see any improvement to my fatigue. However I did notice I’d been experiencing a low grade general infection including sinus, throat, nasal, lung and a slight increase in fatigue.

After about 7 weeks I stopped the medication as I considered it was the cause of the low grade infection and increase in slight fatigue.

I’m now at about 3 weeks after stoping the medication and the IBS started to return after about 4 days. The seberic dermatitis has not yet returned. I’ve also still got the low grade infection and slight increased fatigue, but do expect them to ease eventually. Thanks.
 

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My understanding is it is to inhibit too much out of control Interferon (IFN) and cytokine chatter between cells. The drug is for the settling down the Innate immune response, which is hypothesised to be locked on in ME/CFS. i.e. a constant immune response from the first part of the immune system. Normally in the early stages of an infection IFN and other cytokines will tell cells to stop utilising as much glucose as possible, in order to prevent pathogens that use glucose, from multiplying. hence why people feel weak during infection and ME/CFS. An alternative sluggish energy production system starts using amino acids as fuel instead.

So if you can turn off or dial down a specific part or parts of the innate immune response then the loop that’s been locked on in ME/CFS hopefully turns off and resets back to normal.

Several people have had 25% improvements and I heard of 2 maybe 3 people now who have had full recoveries without needing to stay on the drug.

So this pathway maybe a huge clue what to is going on in ME/CFS and Long Covid (with PEM)

On YouTube’Robert Phair’s Itaconate Shunt hypothesis’ is explained (Janet Dafoe interviews him)
He suggests JAK STAT inhibitors as a possible way to dial down IFN communication

Scotland ME/CFS DNA results said there is nothing wrong with the itaconate hypothesis' in their results.

It may be the JAK inhibitors may be involved are bringing the Li Fraumeni-WASF3 backdown to normal,

NIH Dr. Hwang uses a clinical in-house medicine called SALUBRINAL, published in 2023 on the female lawyer.

I have all the following in DNA results: Homozygous to 2 mitochondrial diseases one Leber Hereditary Optic Neuropathy MTND4, possible Leigh syndrome the MTND5, also Homozygous Alport Syndrome, Homozygous for Aromatase Deficiency estrogen in Males/Females untreated thus far, just found this the other day.

Also, a single mutation for hereditary cancer family Li-Fraumeni, single mutation Acute Myeloid Leukemia, single mutation Lung Cancer susceptibility2. I am not allowed X-rays CT scans no radiation treatments allowed with Li-Fraumeni only head-to-toe MRIs'.

I am using TUDCA 750mg a day, which is similar to Salubrinal. I am tolerating it now, but to early to say if it will work or not. 500 mg+250 mg a day. I will take it for 6 months bought on Amazon under £40. for 60 capsules.
The only meds that ever helped me are low-dose Cortef 5mg or Prednisone 5-80mg. I hope you all get answers soon xx
 
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I also have the milder form mutation gene for Galactosemia called 'Clinical Variant Duarte' & also a mutation for Lactase Prevelance, so I stopped all galactose/lactose.

All the genes from 23andme health ancestry & uploaded Raw results for free/donation to results in genetic genie online.

I am off all dairy & I have the flour mutation for MTHFR which I am deficient in folate/folic acid. I now eat safe folate foods & avoid the folic acid pills/vitamins/minerals. I mostly eat MEAT/KETO
 
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