Fauci likens “Long-haul” Covid-19 patients to ME/CFS patients

[ebethc]

Yes, and though the antibodies don’t seem to last long, T cells seem to be activated which may fit with the screwy immune profiles of ME/CFS patients.

any effect on NK cells?

I don't know much about T cells or how they cause problems for CFS..

 

[Sushi]

any effect on NK cells?

I don't know much about T cells or how they cause problems for CFS..

I haven’t seen NK cells mentioned, but...

CD8+ T cells from people with ME/CFS showed a decrease in energy production after activation. Notably, they had changes in their mitochondria—the structures that produce most of the cell’s energy.
Compared to cells taken from people without the disease, both CD4+ and CD8+ cells from people with ME/CFS had reduced glycolosis at rest. Glycolosis is another pathway that cells use to produce energy. CD8+ cells from people with ME/CFS also had reduced glycolysis after activation.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-cell-metabolism-altered-me-cfs

 

[ebethc]

@Sushi

ah, thanks.... I've read this but forgot... I have been reading about TRP channels and making an assumption that impaired glycolosis is due to that (which it still could be...).. thanks for reminding me..

does the impaired CD4 + CD8 show up on a complement test?

 

[Sushi]

does the impaired CD4 + CD8 show up on a complement test?

I am pretty much dumb-assed in this area--just reading articles and regurgitating! I wish I knew more....Maybe those who do will jump in?

 

[Artemisia]

Along with that, the nearly 2 decades of dismissal, denial, and contempt from the medical machine seems to rub off on ME in an undeniable, and often undefeatable, way ....

Nearly 4 decades. The CDC went to Lake Tahoe to "investigate" (read: dismiss and stigmatize) an ME outbreak in the mid-80s.

 

[Artemisia]

I'm guessing Fauci doesn't know the correct name for ME. He certainly wouldn't want to help us in any way.